Leo Gura

"I only bought the most important election ever and used it to personally manipulate government to benefit myself and my rich friends at the expense of everyone else. Why all the hate, guys? I am good gamer. Love me." Musk is so out of touch it's giga level.

You just don't know what a con-artist is. They are a special breed of animal. Until you meet one, it's hard to even imagine such depraved people could exist. Con-artistry has a lot of Red aspects.

By his view, Alex Jones is a Turquoise ascendant master

My father was a con-artist. I know exactly how they think. It's not stage Green.

BECAUSE he is a con-artist! Not because he is a relativist.

1) Probably. Depends on how long and hard you had to work the method. 2) You used a method, so that's not the spontaneous enlightenment that was being discussed above. Some people are just very receptive to a given method. For some people just one weekend of self-inquiry does the trick. This is very rare, and yes, genetic. If you had an enlightenment of any sort that should already put you in the top 1% genetically. Actually we do. Mystical talents run in the family. The daughter of a witch is more likely to be a witch, and not just from training, but in natural witch abilities. Witches beget witches. Bitches beget bitches There is huge evidence. Nearly every highly spiritually advanced teacher will tell you childhood stories of having mystical and spiritual experiences out of the blue with zero effort. This is ridiculously common for them. Spiritual talent is like 99% genetic. It's way worse than anyone knows or says. This does not simplistically mean that the child of gifted parents will be gifted. Attractive people can easily have ugly children. Look at the daughter of Brad Pitt and Angelia Jolie. Genetics does not work as simplistically as people assume. Two mystics don't just fuck and create a giga-mystic. They could create a psychopath.

Yes, obviously I want it to look like Green, not something else. Green requires some level of empathy for other perspectives, like the perspectives of minorities and other cultures. Yes, this is a moral development. Not super high, but way above Trump or MAGA. What? No it doesn't. Any psychopath can do this instinctively with no training. Sorry, I just don't buy that theory of Trump or Tate. Sociopathy is being conflated with PM. A bad faith actor will use the tools his environment affords. We are in somewhat of a PM environment, but even that is debatable. I'd say that society is more modern than post-modern. The post-modernity of society and culture has been badly over-exaggerated. Most people believe in objective truth.

I know that won't happen because God wants to keep trolling us as long as possible. God is an Infinite Troll. Trump will outlive us all just to rub lemon juice in our eye.

I think your view is heavily skewed by today's Green position's retroactive view of Marx. Back in Marx's era Green didn't even exist. If you want an objective and factual analysis of this matter, just as your fave AI. Our view of Marx today is colored through the Green lens. So Marx looks Green. Because Orange capitalism won the cultural battle over Marxism. So Marxism had to retreat to Green to stay alive.

I see what you mean. I think there is value in seeing it as memes and also as structures of consciousness. The meme approach is nice in that it feels less linear and pre-desitined. With Wilber's stages they feel like this is the only way a human can evolve with no alternatives -- because this is how consciousness evolve. While memes feel like they could be different because there could be many different cultures and combinations of memes. So I actually feel Wilber's model is more linear and rigid.

Again, I would say it doesn't matter because Trump is just a scammer. Scammers are not relativists. They are just scammers. You give him too much credit. Relativism actually requires some intellectual work to see that people have validly differing perspectives. Trump does not give a fuck about any such work or anyone's perspective but his own. He doesn't even believe the perspective of his own Christian base. This is not PM. This is just fraud and criminal exploitation. A psychopath can act like a kind loving man who wants to save the polar bears, just to fool a woman into loving him. This does not make a psychopath a PM relativist. It's funny you say that because I literally typed relativist there but then edited it to pluralist. I have not problem with calling PM relativism. But, relativism does not mean: any bullshit I can say goes. Relativism is about appreciating that other people have different points of view upon reality and that their POV should not be marginalized. Relativism does not mean you get to invent bullshit. Relativism still requires things like intellectual honesty, truthfulness, presenting evidence, good faith, etc. Steve Bannon's "flood the zone with shit" is NOT relativism. It's just information warfare.

I have not read Radical Wholeness. So maybe his view has evolved.

The only way that happens is if Trump is dead. He will never resign or stop.

I don't understand why bullshitting and undermining truthful communication should be associated with PM. This is like a strawman notion of PM. Just because PM is pluralistic does not mean it's okay with bullshit from lairs and criminals. I don't understand the difference you're pointing at. Could you spell it out more?

Wilber does not call Trump as Green. That's not what I said. The problem I see in Wilber's application is that it blames Green, over estimates America's development, and acts like we can skip over Green to Yellow. Wilber's work is excellent. His politics is not so great.

Wliber has a better model because he has personal experience with the highest stages. Beck was not developed enough himself to understand the higher stages.

Hooray!

We know what's going on: exceptional genetics. Unless you wanna do genetic engineering, you ain't gonna solve that. People becoming enlightened instantly is rarer than people being born with horns.

Yes, in the highest stages. Wilber introduces a lot mystical nondual stuff which Beck was against.

The human body is simply not going to endure years of radiation and low gravity of Mars. It will take a horrible toll that will leave people crippled and broken. Mars will not be any kind of second chance for the human species to survive. If Earth fails everyone on Mars will die horrible deaths.

I think you're conflating things. Green media is like TYT or David Pakman. Trump is not Green in his media use. Trump just opportunistically exploits the media like suckers. Trump's media use is toxic Orange and even Red. A Red psychopath would pollute the media with bullshit and use it to run a crypto grift or steal an election. This has nothing to do with post-modernism. Con-artists are NOT post-modernists. They are wolves who prey on post-modern sheep. Even if the media is post-modern, Trump just exploits that environment. Like a crocodile in a kids swimming pool. Marx is definitely Orange. Today's Marxists are Green because Green can build on top of Orange. Marx himself was racist, for example. If you ask AI to analyze Marx along SD, it will say mostly Orange with bits of Green.

Sorry. I am retracting my comments about Integral and JD Vance. I am unable to find the source I thought I remembered. Disregard what I said about Vance. Unless maybe I am able to find a proper source.

Yup. The devil loves to put lipstick on a pig.

I am looking for the source to post on my blog right now.

The best irony of all this is that Don Beck called Ken Wilber a Stage Red psychopath. OMG, mankind is such a clownshow.