Leo Gura

No serious government wants to support terrorists.

Ukraine is a viable state. Palestine is not. Ukraine is also doing a great job opposing Russia, so power-wise Ukraine is doing okay. Palestine is a terrorism and radical Islam issue. Ukraine is a classical war issue.

Russia-Ukraine are not comparable. Russia straight up invaded a nation and seeks to eat the whole territory if allowed. Even Israel is not so bold.

You guys are dealing with ideals and theories, not political reality.

They are the military arm of Palestine. Of course they are responsible. Again, the bear does not care about your morals.

Ukraine did not bum-rush their way into Russia, killing everyone on sight.

@Raze Hamas provoked the bear. You see the result in Gaza's ruins. You need to understand when you a dealing with a force way bigger than you. It is like you are fighting a tsunami.

In a war between Palestine and Israel, Israel will win. There is no question about that. Don't provoke the bear.

That is not a matter of rights, that's a matter of raw power. You can try to fight a grizzly bear, but you will lose that fight. The Israel-Palestine situation is not going to be resolved with moral grand-standing. It will be resolved through raw exercise of power. Which is exactly what you are seeing in the news.

Rationalists love to rationalize all their biases with evo psych.

Yes, however: 1) The entire Middle East lacks development, of their own making, independent of the West. You cannot blame most of their underdevleopment on the West. Their underdevelopment is home-grown and hitched to Islam's regressiveness and ideology. 2) Even so, you cannot expect today's Israeli politicians to sit back and allow vindictive Arabs to just slaughter them. That's not how politics works. You are expecting a level of selflessness from Israelis which they are incapable of. It is like you are expecting a grizzly bear to just sit back while you slap him across the face. For sure the grizzly bear will over-react. And you will scream, "But it's not fair! All I did was slap him." But the grizzly bear does not care about your ideas of fairness.

I have a realistic view of their development. It just so happens Palestinians are even less developed than that. There is much lower development than Blue/Orange.

That is way too intelligent of a thing for a Red Piller do be doing.

Minority rules, not the majority. A radical Islamic minority will hijack any Palestinian state. That's the whole problem with why you can't give them a state. That's way too optimistic. Yes. That's the problem. Leftists over-estimate human development, again, the liberal mind projecting itself and failing to recognize it. Everyone is less developed than you assume.

1) Because they demonstrate it with Oct 7th. 2) Because they say their goal is to annihilate Israel and take back all their stolen land. 3) Because their stage of development is so low: Purple/Red 4) Because they are deluded ideologues thanks to Islam. These are not assumptions. Theses are facts with overwhelming historical evidence. Meanwhile you have a fantasy of peaceful Palestinians. Because the liberal minds projects itself onto them.