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Well, it makes sense what you are saying. But it also makes one question why anyone ever preached ultimate liberation while still in a human body. Were they self-deceived and it is a fantasy? Maybe, maybe not. Suffering is crucial, I agree. But it is only a device. It makes one learn and self-correct. But I would say it is more like an airplane. You go into an airplane to go somewhere else, you don't stay there, staying there was never the point. It is a means, not an end. Whether it can be transcended completely or not I dont know, but it makes sense on why one would pursue that all things considered. Actually no, I somewhat disagree with the framing of " Truth is the Highest Value". I think the ultimate question of a seeker is not that of God or Truth. It is that of Death. That's the closest and the most certain thing you have. Why would you care about God if all there is, is just living and dying at the end and theres nothing more??? It's stupid to inquiry about God if you yourself dont know if theres anything that will persist at the end, if Death is really the end why care about God? If you just live, fuck, eat, achieve something or whatever and then die and its the end and nothing persists, why bother at all?? Might as well die right now, because its all pointless if there is not something that cannot be destroyed at the end. Anything in life is ultimately unsatisfactory, because things dont last, nothing last, all momentary, bound by time. Buddha was inquiring if theres anything that actually fulfills. Something beyond time and that cannot be destroyed, even if Death comes. And Caring about Truth is also problematic. Because it is a concept you have picked up from culture, specifically from philosophy. Caring about truth runs the risk of intellectualizing, getting lost in mind and thus never trascending. That`s why so few philosophers were actually awakened, lost in concepts, thinking that you will figure out if just think some more. Death is way more existential than God and Truth from a human perspective. It`s viceral, certain, the ONLY certainty in fact, beyond concepts. Spirituality is a inquiry about Death. You could say "But Death is Truth" yeah, you might say that now, but not when you didnt know.
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It’s not even an experience!
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Rafael Thundercat replied to Husseinisdoingfine's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
To be honest, wacthing New Rich people desperating on Dubai is hard to apply the principle of not celebrating others people infortunes. Imagine going to a place that you thougth would be a safe heaven plus avoiding taxes and suddenly there are bombs falling in your paradise. I will not post videos, filor sure they will pop up on your feeds. -
That's retarded and backway. A surfer who never falls vs a rock climber who falls off the highest mountain in the world. What is more impressive? What immense dialed-in-ness do you need to never fall? A peak-chaser who is not stuck in liberation is drowning 99.999% of their life in deception of ignorance, and the peak is only but a faint memory that never brings justice to the experience. While the liberated is the experience always and forever. Liberation is in its own league of radical. To get your finite existence nuked and replaced by a puppet show where you channel the ultimate will of God, it's unfathomable even for people who have allegedly awakened.
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It’s going to vary for each individual but the basics of handling immediate trauma are: 1. Establish physical safety first. Do whatever you can do to cover physical safety. Take back control over your environment and change it so you can feel safe. 2. Grounding skills - Techniques you can do to calm your nervous system and facilitate present-moment awareness. - meditation - sensory grounding (essential to engage the senses) - nature exposure - self-hypnosis - physical anchoring (moving your body to bring awareness to your body and give mind temporary relief) 3. Distraction techniques when emotions become too intense. This is where your Tetris or other games come in. The goal is to redirect attention to something neutral or non-threatening to let your nervous system recover. 4. Social support and professional services 5. Good Self-Care rituals - gym, meditation, diet, sleep, sauna, nature exposure, gratitude journaling, etc. 6. Self-Compassion, positive thought-looping, reframing, etc. 7. Allowing yourself to mindfully reflect and contemplate. I recommend doing this step last because most people spiral instead of reflecting. If reflecting is too intense, then go back to mastering previous steps.
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Do you think it could be a result of incorrect or false meaning making? 'I experienced trauma, therefor I am bad, I deserved it, I did something to cause it' It is sometimes easier to blame ourselves than the rest of the world. It can be too much to see the world as busted. Much easier to think we did something to 'cause' the badness. The brain attempting to correct something to prevent it happening again. Only this can cause internalised shame. Shame is a powerful self sabotage mechanism. There are many possibilities. And interesting question to ponder...
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No idea what that means. lol
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Someone here replied to Cred's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
But you can't take him seriously that's the point he is a little cheeky and devilish that's the style he chooses to express himself. -
Wow, WHAT! Not even 'up the duff" ? (preggers)
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I'll be honest - the only one I know of these is "too right", lol.
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@Joshe @Leo Gura I a nub >.< Americans have the better idioms: Kneehigh to a grasshopper, piece of cake, break a leg, under the weather, spill the beans, better late than never, speak of the devil, bite the bullet etc Australians, being the criminal colony we are, have busted variations: Flat out like a lizard drinking, as mad as a cut snake, too right, couldn't organise a piss up at a brewery, spit the dummy, dog's breakfast, pull your head in, give it a burl, a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock, on a good wicket, up the duff etc
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Never underestimate an Aussie.
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@HopefulMan that sounds really difficult. if you don't mind that i keep digging (let me know when it's too much)....you say "intense situations" - what demarcates a situation as such, aside from an emotion that may or may not be felt? for example, in such a situation, do you fidget a lot or feel yourself dissociating (most simply in the form of depersonalisation/derealisation, "feeling strange in your body", or like your self/ the 'doer' is not there anymore)? where are your thoughts going? again, the theory i was taught in this context is that internal pressure or a perceived crisis can be so intense that access to emotions is completely blocked, and the way to access them is to start by releasing and regulating tension. i don't know if this applies to your situation, but maybe you can check in and see if this feels accurate next time things seem intense. one way of checking is if physical stimuli (exercise, hot/cold water, very spicy or sour food) change your state at all.
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Kavaris was out of line here at the end. It turned into personal attack. Cred is obviously in good faith willing to address any legit criticisms and is sticking to the subject matter.
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Do you know of any techniques that would be better than Tetris right after trauma?
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😂I was wondering how tf have you never heard of that? Funny how that one didn't make it to the aussies. Surely not. Surely she knows.
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Really? You do live down-under
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Thats right. You’re taxing your working memory, which allows the brain to process the trauma. This is how EMDR works. Tax the working memory and multiple brief exposure therapy like flipping back and worth through the pages of a book until the distress goes down. Tetris alone is a distraction technique, which is good to deal with uncontrollable emotions, but it isn’t quite enough to fully process trauma. It’s a cope.
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It's reminds me of watching a child who would otherwise be fine, start to cry because the adults think it just experienced something that warrants crying, and the adults basically manifest the crying. lol I've told my sister, no no, don't act like he should be crying now, because then he will. And of course, she acts like he should be, then he does.
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Nivsch replied to Husseinisdoingfine's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
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Someone here replied to Cred's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Not at all. You claim you know the absolute answer to the big questions. You said that . In short paragraph: what is existence? Why is it here ? Go ahead . -
They say if you play the game Tetris for 7 minutes after you've experienced trauma, your trauma will be significantly reduced. I believe this. It's largely a matter of how the mind is given opportunity to amplify the experience, whether that be through self-rumination, cultural narrative, or whatever.
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Holy cow I wasn’t expecting that!
