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Owen gets results by massive volume and playing the long game: Hosting parties and networking etc. where he is seen as a big authoritative figure. He also needs rich friends to host massive parties with. For same day / night pulls, he is terrible. He is basically like a club promoter but he takes the girls from the club and invites into his own party where he is the star. This is not a realistic approach for most people getting into pick up. At the end of the day, Owen is physically way too unattractive for game to help him much. His only choice really is to do what he does, and hypnotize some girls to fall hard into his frame and lifestyle. That’s why he pushes frame so hard. The only way for him to get attraction is if manages to get some girls to lose all sensemaking.
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That becoming wise was a “success.” Which is in itself a value judgement. We can succeed at being evil, doesn't make success good thing. I'm never put value on it. You brought up the idea that you have become wise as if it was a good thing. The only reason to learn something is because we are unhappy with the amount of knowledge we currently have. Yes I realize there is the flip side (i.e. the joy of learning) but I mean even Leo has said this himself the only reason to get a relationship/job/house is because we aren't as happy as we could be single/poor/homeless.
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You could keep the condescending approach to yourself and do some self inquiry before you respond.
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Doubt that. If Owen chose you you would feel like a lucky woman. Considering from all the options he has.
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Success can be driven by a vast number of things. But to keep it simple, it can be driven either by low, egoic needs, or higher, more purposeful, more inclusive needs. Not just by unhappiness. That's silly.
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Religious traditions are very oriented around survival and hierarchy, usually of survival challenges that existed 1000+ years ago. There's nothing spiritual about banning pork for example. But they are dogmatic about their traditions and rules, even if they make no sense.
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If hotness is the only thing you care about when it comes to dating then you are missing the emotional, intellectual, and spiritual satisfaction you can have with a woman. I find the hottest ones are usually the shallowest. This is not a blanket rule, but that's been my consistent observation. From up close and afar. An 8/10 looks woman with a 10/10 personality blasts a 10/10 looks woman with a 8/10 personality out of the water every time for me. Because society's 10/10 in looks I actually find borderline ugly. Also, a poor personality can't make up for great looks (and it is nowhere near a cope to say that).
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He’s peculiar / odd because he’s a combination of many uncommon archetypes. He grew up a delinquent in Canada so he has gruff and cut throat nature But at the same time he has high empathy But he had a difficult childhood so he lacks boundaries but is hyper independent He has autism which has various symptoms like fixation and monologuing But he modeled pickup artists and adopted their philosophies and developed a persona designed around getting attention in high stimulus clubs But he also adopted ideologies from eastern mysticism and more recently American conservatism And finally he’s been traumatized by his high stress career and the resulting collapses
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Inliytened1 replied to VeganAwake's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
oh we met you. But we can't pronounce your name -
Unfortunately this rests on incorrect judgement and the assumption I knew who he was when I happenchanced upon him. As stated above I don't get this read from other types of coaches in this field.
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@Olaf Man , you found a receptive girl. It has also happened with me in the past a couple of times. I think it's wise to communicate your honest intentions to her beforehand .
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https://geo-art-harmony.lovable.app/ - this is very nice version, and that the ball appear little bit higher-dimension can be seen as a bug or a feature; it project square on ball: from Hilbert, we know this might not be ideally possible, but Zen follows that the possible is the best-quality close result, because lacking this ideal is called cartographic projections - we live in this ever-lasting dukkha that higher dimensions are not linear, and lower are not ideal. https://lageosis-geometric-v-p427.bolt.host/ - here, the alorithm definitely brings it down to a 3D ball, but some other symmetries appear weaker, because really - based on octaves, you can see in projection pipeline that 3rd octave is already 24D - it's octahedron (octave 0, normal 3D); then comes hyperoctahedron at 4D - but continuing the logic, more and more complex alternatives appear in higher-D, and *in those dimensions themselves* they appear very symmetric for our purpose. Hilber states this is axiomatic and sure we lose some information balance if we reduce the dimensionality; it's like in physics, we cannot see both speed and position precisely and for same particle. Cartographic principles, indeed, are history-wide workarounds for this, projecting ball to slightly lower-dimensional square. https://laegna-cosmos-unfolded.lovable.app/ - I used the ball with spirituality-mixed introduction to my math. -
kavaris replied to VeganAwake's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The next part of that question is about beliefs vs. similitude, cause, you'll have realized that... what you have is, lots of similar images / matching ideas, that which result in something like "Yes, it looks valid to me now, or it looks good enough, decidely so" (assuming - an indefinite time of in a state of wonder and questioning...) and so... the question is then, \*if similitude is in fact the thing linking / chaining together "things that appear to be validations", how is it that we can have two different things happening, where on the surface is ".... our unrevealed, or indistinct beliefs..." and things that exist internally to us, that appear as "distinct or matching beliefs", How do we do that, or whats the descriptive language vers. if you had to put it to words? p.s. i should get going now. think on it. -
i would never want to live in an islamic society. most dangerous, primitive culture in the world. we already have more than enough of it here in europe
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It is because of prejudice which is something you have a lot. If you didn’t know what and who he was he just comes off as a quirky cool uncle.
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Post #56: Philosophy Why do I do what I do? Philosophy. Why go through all this? Philosophy. What's the point? Philosophy.
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@Olaf no, I'm a guy. Your issue is that you can't consider that somebody else can be wired completely differently when it comes to approaching women. Ypu are treating it not being easy as some objective fact when it's just your personal experience. For some people it is easy because they are wired to see it as fun and exciting, not as something scary. And there are people who don't get bothered at all by being yelled "fuck off" at. Just like there are people who will get triggered hard and will have a nervous breakdown if their bed is not made in the morning and there are people who can live in a room full of garbage not be bothered by it. People have different psychologies, and traumas, and upbringings, and brain chemistry, so they react to situations differently
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please dont do it @integral let jesus heal you you have all the love from us all https://open.spotify.com/track/6Yg3J1OkP45uNcboiUg2Rw?si=b4257b9e96c14aba
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Anyways I got to go now, will respond to any other messages later tonight
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@Something Funny are you a girl? I don't think you understand what it means to go up to girls as a men, it isn't easy. I have had many times had girls say "FUCK OFF" and that was when I was starting of course and no longer have that too much, but it isn't easy, you easily can come off the wrong way. And I don't blame woman for this, it just means it isn't easy for men.
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Doesn't relate to anything I added.
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To add, Owen doesn't do daygame. He is purely a night game guy. Why is that? Because day game deals with sober girls, in their right mind, who are very sensitive to any weirdo behaviour in a man who is approaching them. You need very solid social calibration in the day time vs night time. In a bar or club, where girls are partying and drinking, you dont need to be as sharp because the girls are in a different headspace. If Owen can barely get results at night, you BEST BELIEVE he aint getting none in the day time. The guy cant read social cues too well. He admits this himself in almost all his videos.
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You don't believe that there are people who are in a flow state simply because they are extraverted and enjoy talking to girls for fun and don't have the same fear associated with it as you do? Do you need alcohol to be in a flow state to play with a dog?
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@Zenterus I am not saying Owen is the best, but Leo calling him creepy is going way too far to me, I call guys that don't approach at all or only drink to get laid creepy. Standing there with their beer, busting up the courage to approach, that is more creepy to me then whatever Owen is doing. Also any club promoters or people with good looks cannot be taken seriously, they have huge advantage. Also if a guy is going out there, trying to get results and all he hears is people that are doing PUA to be creepy, that isn't really helping anyone. I was responding to that, not to defend Owen.
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@Natasha Tori Maru I am not here to defend Owen, I am just saying that it is different and has called this out, so he is aware of this. And if he was such an oddball, you wouldn't see him have girls be high responsive to him infield. I paid for his hotseat at home months ago, which is where you see him talking to girls and it is very different then him talking on stage and girls seem to be enjoying him and being around him etc.
