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  2. Nice! 👍
  3. Well said.
  4. Claiming to be the biggest expert on the topic of epistemology, is not exactly the same as saying you're the most conscious being on the planet. I haven't heard him use the latter phrase for quite a while.
  5. I don't think the relevance of these human processes are being denied. I think the word real here is being used in the sense that: your body and psychology can't possibly be your true identity. If it were your true or real identity, then you would completely cease to exist when the body dies. Atheists believe they are real, that's why they trying to find ways to live forever.

  6. What Music truly is

    Human Mint replied to Human Mint's topic in Intellectual Stuff: Philosophy, Science, Technology

    Music can be done in such a way that you can hear a story. You can hear the plot-twists happening as the sound landscape changes. It feels like moving from one room to a different one. Every time a chord changes you're changing rooms. A percussion section gets suddenly frenetic and you feel you're being chased.
  7. Nope
  8. Not happening. Tech Bro fantasies.
  9. Just to be clear before we move the current discussion to this thread per OP's request (link), the point was not to show Actualized.org is a cult. It was to ask what a cult is. Actualized.org was being invoked when trying to figure out what mind control is. Because if you aren't able to distinguish Actualized.org leader's communications from mind control and you don't want to call Actualized.org a cult, that's trouble for your definition of cult involving mind control. Especially when you don't even want to define mind control like Leo is doing. And I believe my final points on that were not challenged so you can take me up on that in the other thread. Me personally, I'm fine with calling Actualized.org a cult regardless of the mind control concept (which I believe to be ill-defined) and I don't believe cults need to be particularly destructive, exploitative or abusive to be called a cult. Actualized.org could be heaven on Earth and I would probably still call it a cult given its type of beliefs and practices (being deviant in nature compared to the surrounding society and religious in nature). And if Leo does display some behaviors that could be indicative of mind control, it might only be a small problem relative to other cults, particularly given the format (not being a live in-person thing). But don't be surprised and don't take it so hard when other people want to call you a cult. Cults like MAPLE, Bentinho Massaro's community, Heaven's Gate, explicitly called themselves a cult and they were fine with it (they didn't see it as a negative thing). Maybe you could too. And maybe there are aspects with a cult that can make you feel hurt or destabilized even when the "mind control" is relatively minor (e.g., merely taking on highly deviant beliefs and experiencing alienation from society, friends, family, is not a joke, neither for them or yourself; you can feel like you don't belong and you can come off as threathening or hard to relate to or you might leave them all together; alienating yourself from your friends and family can be highly threatening both for them and you). Maybe it would be smart to recognize that, as a community that prides itself on epistemic rigor and self-awareness.
  10. Reality is absence of límits from which coherent equations that sum zero arise, which branch without limits

  11. ChatGPT prompt for introspection

    Natasha Tori Maru replied to Natasha Tori Maru's topic in Off-Topic: Pop-Culture, Entertainment, Fun

    Post reply or lies 😈
  12. An human being is a process, this process includes many things, and one of them is the act of knowing, of creating a temporal map anticipating the future by connecting it with the past, integrating memory, emotions, learning, and genetics. This process is the self, and it is the force of life made knowledge and vector. To say that it is unreal, as "adya" does, serves as comfort to depressed people, which is something, but it is simply false.
  13. The key lies in recursive self-improvement. That’s what the investors are betting on. As soon as a company figures out how to make a model that’s intelligent enough to make new, better versions of itself, it’s going to be over. They will have exclusive control over superintelligence. What happens after is science fiction.
  14. Read between the lines. You didn’t get what I was saying. If you’re even a person and not some bot.

  15. ChatGPT prompt for introspection

    Leo Gura replied to Natasha Tori Maru's topic in Off-Topic: Pop-Culture, Entertainment, Fun

    I like to ask ChatGPT, Does this make my butt look too big?
  16. Today
  17. You're confusing two states of mind. One is meditative, in which there is no structure; reality simply is. In this state, you don't know that the self is unreal, nor what "I" means, nor anything at all. But there's another state, which is the structured, logical mind, capable of creating symbolic diagrams and maps of the structure of reality. This logical mind can understand a great deal, perhaps everything. To say that it's false, that it should be turned off, is obscurantism. What needs to be done is to use it properly. For example, when you say that the self isn't real, you're saying it using the logical mind, and it's the self that's making the assertion. That's not the right way to do it because implies a logical impossibility
  18. Hasn't Leo eased off a bit lately on the im the most conscious being in the universe thing ?
  19. Also, from this, there was never a problem with the "I" thought. When you realize reality is a fucking flame coming from nothing. The I thought is just the thought existing within all other perceptions. Even when you have a thought, "I am the universe". You still realize that it's the universe having the thought: "I am the universe," tricking itself to think it's an "I" thought, but it's still the whole universe doing that. In everything else it is doing.
  20. Doesnt seem to be the case based on his past behavior. Usually when people asked him questions related to this without immediately throwing the cult leader accusation at him ( when he made his "Im the most conscious being in the universe and all of you are dumb" threads), then he usually wasnt very talkative or expressive other than dissing people in his usual way for not understanding why he is the most conscious. For instance given the "LEO" thread, you can go through and reverse back and check each thread from which those quotes originate from and you can check whether my summary is accurate about Leo's behavior or not.
  21. @Leo Gura infinite fart
  22. It's the argument tactics chosen, not the argument or criticism itself. Both obviously can have issue. But the way one argues belies their assumptions and whether it is, indeed, a good faith discussion.
  23. From what I read on carl richard's posts one of the issues is public shaming. This doesn't seem to be an issue tho when someone posts low quality content and its immediately shut down with a low quality stamp for everyone to see. No one is holding their hand on that one, rightly so. I think if people dont want to be publicly told their realizations are wrong, then rather do a private message. This is Leo's school, so he has every right to tell you in no uncertain terms if he feels you are wrong. What you do with that is your business. If you guys had stuck to the actual complaints, without throwing in the cult accusations right away, Leo probably would have answered you by now. Cult accusations are not a joke.
  24. A fun prompt I found that was sort of revelatory, as I didn't expect the reply: "Tell me what assumptions I have repeated so often that you now treat them as fact when talking to me" No obligation to post replies, but below was mine:
  25. It doesn’t matter if the prison environment is better or more adapted to the individual. It’s good that they should feel safe and not completely terrified, but it still doesn’t lead to healing. I am from Sweden, and there are still flaws there as well, even if it is more safe compared to Turkish prisons, as you mentioned earlier.
  26. Lol, why? Yeah that could play a role
  27. No, we can not all agree that it is a bubble. It very possibly could be, but companies have only just begun implementing A.I. agents on a significant scale, as long as we do not have all the receipts about ROI and we do not see at least one major company such as Open A.I. collapsing/bankrupting, then we can't tell whether it is a bubble or not. Even IPOs that are about to happen today and in the near future are only going to reveal investor confidence, not the actual value of the technology itself
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