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I might have been a natural mewer. My neck looks perfect from the side, and I didn’t even know that could be related to tongue posture. That’s the downside of being born a Chad. There are no wars left for me to fight.
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This is mostly what I'm pointing at. Learning things through these frameworks can create fast results in the short term. But these frameworks also create an invisible ceiling for men's growth that gets capped at the lowest common denominator of what low-discernment women are willing to sleep with. And they will eventually have to do some heavy duty paradigmatic and identity deconstruction to break through that ceiling... if they ever do. The reality is that they may never even sense that ceiling, simply because they went from "Not getting results" to "Getting results". So, they may not sense the collateral damage to their attractiveness in the eyes of women... simply because they believe that it's this paradigm is the only thing actually making them attractive. (Plus, the paradigm is comforting... and letting go will be uncomfortable.) And they won't perceive the loss of appreciation and admiration from high-discernment women... as the rejection happens silently in her mind when she feels the vibe of that paradigm on him. They also won't perceive the levels of development that they could achieve if they hadn't attached to this paradigm in the first place. Instead, their level of development gets capped because they molded themselves into what they believed that women like... instead of being themselves. So, it's sort of like, walking forward on a conveyor belt that's moving backwards. You feel like you're making progress because you are making steps. But the platform you're walking on is pulling you backwards in ways you don't notice. And it's fine to use a few social strategies here and there, if they're still authentic. The issue is the distorted worldview and identity that comes with those strategies... and how that creates so many blocks to genuine connection with women and personal growth.
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Ego can’t go all the way.
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Lol, you’re funny though. Is your main need just being able to ramble about anything? I’m saying this respectfully, but it’s genuinely funny to read your posts because they’re so intricate. No, I mean, I do have needs, but I was suicidal for a while. I expected the world to have more to offer, and the cause was basically the same feeling as finishing a video game and being stuck in the endgame with no more content left to really explore. My desire for death led me toward truth ( but it's the reverse as people suffering from feeling stuck, I had nothing to be stuck about ), but it wasn’t what I expected. It does fit your explanation of the character becoming self-aware in some way, though. I feel like I’m hope-maxxing now, with the added possibility of AI happening, eventually leading to UBI and some kind of large-scale human liberation, where we can all just chill, live happily in communities, and do some Final Fantasy Zanarkand-type living. Honestly, the feeling of a “meaning crisis” is still there, but not in the same oppressive way. I’m kind of playing around with it now. I’ve become a very optimistic doom-pilled person. I’m not fatalistic. I still like striving to be the cleverest person in the room, and in some sense I feel like I’ve won. I can joke about genocide, death, Hitler, or whatever else because I’m extremely detached. I can do that with basically anything, even argue against everything I supposedly stand for, whether that’s my culture, my race, or whatever other bullshit story. I do fancy myself as a good person, but I’m detached from human affairs to the point where, honestly, I don’t really care about the state of the world or whether my words ultimately affect people positively or negatively. There’s much more I could say. Sometimes I feel like I’m the most “intelligent” person on Earth, and I don’t even mean that as a good thing. I don’t mean intelligence in the sense of some fancy ability to understand advanced mathematics. I mean that, if intelligence can involve being able to detach yourself from everything, from language, perspective, identity, and even life itself, then that’s something I feel I can do better than almost anyone. Even the hippie or the Buddhist is usually still attached to something. Even the guy who dies through extreme meditation can still be attached to escaping worldly experience or transcending desire. I’m detached in a different sense. I simply let desires and needs happen within this point of view without treating them as fundamentally important. And even on the ordinary human plane, those desires are relatively weak. Sometimes I still get a sudden peak of delusion around achieving some goal, or the reverse: a sudden conviction that everything is meaningless. I removed my post because it felt too personal. I don’t really like oversharing my identity online unless it’s within my private spaces. Yeah, you’re right about a lot of what you pointed out. Still, I don’t really judge normies for being normies. My judgment is mostly just fancy gaming. I’m special, and you’re special too. Just look at your post. You’re posting on this wretched edge of the internet. You really think you’re a normal person now? Girl, you’re an absolute weirdo, sorry. No amount of self-proclamation that you’re normal is going to save you either way. You can go back to being an alien, because you are one! I mean, alright, nowadays everyone is kind of crazy, so the bar has shifted dramatically in terms of what normieness even entails. We might all just be mildly convinced schizophrenics who occasionally need a puff of some nice self-narrative to keep the whole thing coherent. And in the end, what even is “normal” or “weird”? It’s just another layer of fanciness. But yeah, of course, if being "a normie" feels nice, just be one. Whatever makes you happy. I’m still convinced that almost everyone on this forum is some kind of nutcase, basically a functional asylum with creature who somehow learned to operate in society.
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You can establish boundaries energetically and through behavior without having to say anything, at least at first. If he doesn't get it, then you may have to start to say.
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I’m the UNO
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@Emerald Thank you for taking the time to respond in such detail:) yes, i mostly say something along these lines concerning the payment. the hearts and touching are probably a little over the line for me and definitely feel weird. but i am a little scared or hesitant to communicate that, too.
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Yimpa replied to PolyPeter's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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@Schizophonia you mean this thread? i think it was a spontaneous emotional decision. i had carried this situation on my own for a little while and thought i shouldn't talk to anyone about it, and then when the most recent interaction on WhatsApp happened and i was stuck on a bus with nothing else to do, i thought i would just come here and, as i said, "get it off my chest". sometimes i find it easier to speak to a third person rather than directly talking to the person who creates the outrage (or conflict or whatever). in fact, it's a bit of a pattern for me. essentially, i get to communicate without any stakes. it's like i can't bear to hold an emotion all on my own, but i'm also not ready to confront people directly. not sure if this is what you were asking?
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Maybe it's more that authenticity is a prerequisite for competence in this domain. To dispense with it is a shortcut that you'll pay for later. The Mexican proverb "the lazy man works twice as hard" comes to mind. But it's not just authenticity. It's integrity and mutual respect for women. I've not been able to figure out how to articulate my intuitions on this topic but I'll try. It has to do with treating women like humans, not marks to manage or trick with cheap tricks and mind games. Yes, my approach would be slower, because you would be at the mercy of reality for a while and women don't just drop their pants for you, but you would maintain your integrity and be a healthier human in the long run. If you consider how much effort some guys are putting into game/pickup, it's like 100x the effort that would be required if you just did things naturally, and this way, you don't have to corrupt yourself. So, it's far less work, far healthier in terms of being regulated and learning to not be desperate/needy (because over time, you stop fighting reality), and in the end, you'll be able to find women without running game on them. Enduring that initial period is the work, not 1000 approaches. Like Emerald mentioned, yeah, the 1000 approaches will work better initially, but the big cost is you never develop in a healthy manner because you've spent years treating women like marks instead of humans. That's the jist, I think. Also, you have to consider the cost of adopting the pickup paradigm for many years. It will stunt your growth, and potentially prevent you from ever becoming the man you'd like to be, because you took the shortcut and dispensed with your integrity and treated women like dumb marks that you run tricks on. This comes at a very high cost, and the bill comes due. You can get girls without it, you just have to be patient and learn how while maintaining your integrity and being a decent person. A few have mentioned "this is just a stage people go through / it's a normal/necessary part of finding your way". To me, this seems so obvious of what learning is that it doesn't need to be mentioned. Which is why I chuckled "lol" earlier after I mentioned that that's how learning works. Because it's as if a few people think this is lost on those of us shining a light on a different way. What moves people up from the stage below? Most often, stumbling or coming across a new way and exploring it, seeing the validity in it, contemplating it, and trying it on and shedding the inferior ways of the thinking/being from the previous stage. And that's the point of a self-development forum - for members to share ideas regarding learning/development. So I'm just confused by "it's a necessary part of development", because of course is it. And of course, there is always another stage, which is what we're pointing at. Sorry if I'm reopening the Ni-Ni loop, lol. You don't have to respond if you think it's going to spiral.
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Joseph Maynor replied to Hyperion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
When someone tells me there is no, I think to myself there is yes. - Today
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So, two things can be true here. One is that your perspective may be genuinely different and un-relatable to many people. That's what I experienced growing up as a kid, and it was really hard for me to fit in before I developed some advanced level social skills that simply weren't attainable for me as a child. And chronically not fitting in can create this "I'm different in a bad way" shame dynamic early on. The other perspective is that, when people have these issues with fitting in early on.... they can begin coping with that issue by building the identity of the person who's "different in a good way" and trying to differentiate themselves more and more and more from ordinariness and averageness. And they can do that by being different in a hierarchical way (being better)... or being different simply in a different way. And I did both... and you seem to do both. And for me, this differentiation coping strategy helped in certain ways because I was able to develop an identity and MO for myself that was unique from others where I could challenge societal rules that I didn't agree with, find my particular values, and develop myself in ways that few others do. But this differentiation tendency had A LOT of collateral damage that I wasn't aware of until about 5 years ago... when I realized what my aversion to ordinariness and sameness was doing to me. The collateral damage was that it pushes away all parts of me that are common, ordinary, and average and repressed them in order to maintain the "Different from all others" identity that I used to cope with isolation and alienation. But this strategy also exacerbates the same kind of isolation and alienation from the original trauma... as the differentiation tendency causes a person to strive to become as superiorly alien as possible. And it carves us out as islands. And when I was a kid, this came through as me imagining myself as non-human mythical beings... and having all my classmates realize that I was actually an alien, vampire, or mermaid. And later on, it came as spiritual identities and intellectual identities to prove myself better and different than others. And this created a disconnect between myself and my humanity... with strong judgments towards the average human being. So, once I realized this, it's been very important for me to shed any identities or MOs that are geared towards differentiating myself from the rest of humanity. And this is why it's important for me to anchor myself in the "I am an average human being" perspective... and to cease attempting to transcend my basic bitch humanity to become some Ubermensch. This wisdom is in knowing that being a basic bitch is the best medicine for "different in a good way" people. And I suspect that your reaction to my acknowledgement of my ordinary human needs was part of that resistance to commonality and ordinariness... and maintaining the identity of "the different one." So, I would challenge you to question why you're trying to transcend your needs in the first place. Is it because you're trying to carve out an identity of being "different from the masses"? Or is it for some other reason?
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That makes sense. My perspective is directly shaped by my experiences of ego transcendence and ego death. And it helped me realize that the avatar game was the preferred path of this iteration... and most iterations within humanity. Very few people genuinely prefer the game of immersing in the game to transcend it. And it took the direct experience of transcending it and dissolving completely to realize that that wasn't the presence... and that there was nothing to escape about the illusion. It's just that my understanding was, "Transcendence is always preferable over immersion within the illusion." And the dissolution challenged that hierarchy I had created in my mind. And I realized that I don't prefer the path of transcendence. I prefer the path of embodiment. And I'm always skeptical when a non-monk claims to be wanting to transcend the Earthly embodiment. I find it far more likely that there's an identity or experience within the Earthly embodiment that they're trying to attach to... sort of like a realization of the ideal self. But that's not what transcendence is about. Transcendence is throw the character and the book in the fire, and simply exist as pure infinite consciousness. And "I've" had some "experiences' like that. But even those experiences are only important and meaningful to me in relation to the Emerald story. And true transcendence is not that.
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Inner game only matters once at intermediate
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I like a hot bratty girl who loves mascara
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oOo replied to Hyperion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The universe does not have a plan for you. Your choices do, where determinism is consequences answering them, the freedom to choose perspective from absolute, and absolute or perspective in either, then living with the cause and effect. Banging my head against brick predicts brain damage more reliably than asserting Absolute Truth outside whatever my available experience has shaped into belief, that said, it is vital to differentiate perspective from absolutes, and that navigation is not done between them but along the path towards truth, and making peace with the closest truth. Survival is vital to spirituality, it refuses this luxury of using perspective and the absolute as mere circus juggling balls by people that are still spiritually naive. Venom forces a decision, poisonous or not? Life and death will mark the essay, failure correlated with the inability to read the closest truth. Its larger truth may include producing antivenom elsewhere; right now, its truth is what it does to the body. Reality decides before philosophers finish adjusting Brahman’s name tag. Calling everything Brahman because the blind cannot agree on colour is blindness promoted to being a fucking air traffic controller making life and death decisions for jet pilots and million dollar aircraft. Naming the unseen does not become seeing as an air traffic controller when you're held accountable for inaccuracies, you get fired and heck, you may even get court martialed depending on your sanity surrounding the proclamation. Sanskrit then, cannot repair the optic nerve of an officer caught in a spiritual bubble to justify either the relinquishment of his duties or performing his duties outside of responsible protocol. Maybe reality is Infinity, Being, consciousness, emptiness, everything, nothing. Fine. These are logical placeholders for what experience suggests. The irony however, is that people retreat from reality into concepts supposedly explaining reality, escaping the practical demand of the venomous snakes and the chaotic aeronautic movements of life around them that demand their action, their judgement on truth or falsehood, accurate or inaccurate, good or bad, right or wrong, marking the line in the sand regardless as to how grey it seems from a more zoomed out view. Mature spirituality can hold Infinity in one hand and identify the bloody snake with the other, it accepts evolution as well through the snake skin rather than gripping too strongly to either the present form of the snake or the contextual identification of the snakes venom as poisonous. I am literally at an airport right now preparing for my flight, if it didn't have a name for airport "Brahman", if I didn't know which flight "Brahman", if I knew the first two but didn't know which terminal "Brahman", if I didn't know the first four and I was wondering about how to get where I wanted to go, oh I know, "Brahman". If I... Well, I've learned my ABC's, how to spell with mathematics, and how to count through spatial navigation, and I might not know ultimate truth outside that which I have experienced, but I know based on those experiences that I can continue to refine my heart, mind, body and spirit to align me deeper, wider, narrower and more fully to its cause. It is the devotion to the truth, more than the answers we should treat as testable/tested hypotheses, that we should concern ourselves with, categorising the truth with proportionality which requires both absolutes and perspectives. To me, I think you're in the same boat of people getting a biochemical buzz from spirituality more than seeking genuine healthy closure from one life milestone to the next. They use all that they have learned from the education system for better and for worse, an education designed to teach them about life not necessarily how to properly think about it with a strong ontological and epistemological foundation, to still fail at realising that life still has an answer, and that perspective is not only just one of those answers, its a puzzle piece you use to complete the final one, honing the absolute along the way and thereafter. It's kind of like being born into a roulette table and that's all that exists, "Life just spins, every number is just a perspective with equal weight as every other number"; it becomes absurd, and its because people don't see they're just spinning the wheel of their own confusion rather than seeing the game creator properly underneath, which starts with looking at themselves more accurately. "Brahman" can matter when I'm dead, because I'll be returning to "Brahman" won't I? Heh! But right here and now, 'survival' as I brought up in a brief recent post is just as spiritual as anything else. Onwards and upwards is often the signal of that survival as well, not "Brahman", because it is our developmental signature as a nervous system, and thus, because I am a spirit inside a physical form that demands mastery in order to unleash that spirit within us in command of that nervous system, fully. Sincerely though, best wishes. But then, that wouldn't be the true essence of "Brahman", maybe go and donate a kidney then, or a limb as kidneys aren't a massive deals these days. I will say instead as a middle-ground then as follows, as there's more "Brahmic" neutrality to it. Kind regards to All, One, and For All. -
VeganAwake replied to PolyPeter's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I would recommend not trying to point out what you understand to people unless they specifically ask you your perspective. It can come off as desperate and needy. Instead, just enjoy life and use what you understand to help bring more love and joy into people's lives. This will influence people to understand you way more than anything else guaranteed. Find someone who loves you back and spread it like wildfire -
I think this framing misunderstands the level of detachment that's happening for someone who is actually on a path of transcendence. It's not about "going against your desires." That's more of a repression and "fighting with your humanity to maintain a spiritual identity and worldview" thing. It's about fundamentally seeing through the illusion of the character you're playing and the entire reality that you exist within as that character. It's realizing that you're a character in a story. And that character will never transcend the confines of that character... including the desires, needs, limitations, and attachments that come with that character. Instead, it's about realizing the entire book that you character exists in was always a falsehood... and even your desire to transcend your wants and needs is part of that story and is used to build and reinforce that story. When my story was thrown into the fire, revealing that the Emerald character and the entire reality she existed in was an illusion... I realized there was no version where Emerald would ever be enlightened, even if she became enlightened within the story. In the same way that Gandalf is written to be Gandalf... his enlightenment is fundamentally false, as Gandalf isn't real. It's just part of the story. The same is true of the Emerald character. She dissolved along with the entire existence she lived in. And there was pure nothingness. But Emerald never become enlightened... she ceased to exist. Then, the nothingness eventually reconstituted the Emerald story and avatar because that's what it preferred. And that's when Emerald the character stopped trying to be anything other than an ordinary human with all the ordinary human patterns, needs, and desires. So, I don't want to re-attach myself to the previous strivings to be desire-less... as all of that was just extra stuff in the Emerald story. And it wasn't even fun. Instead of being like Bruce Wayne trying his damndest to be Batman and transcend his ordinary humanity... I'd much rather be Superman performing the most convincing Clark Kent disguise that he can muster.
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Ajay0 replied to Husseinisdoingfine's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/39640 It appears that the US interceptor inventory has drained itself in the war on iran taking down cheap Iranian drones with multi-million dollar interceptors. However this can be an another opportunity and bonanza for the western military industrial complex to cite reasons for low national security and rip off more taxpayer money to get more contracts for multi-billion dollar interceptors, and keep on ignoring more important sectors like subsidised education, healthcare and housing in the US. , even though there are around a million homeless people in the US with around a thousand dying of hypothermia each year. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-12-13/more-people-are-homeless-and-more-people-are-freezing-to-death -
Carl-Richard replied to Monster Energy's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Because they have to support New Agers like you, the kookiest of religious people in the world. -
I hear yah All for that I'm kinda just playing around and doing what I think is fun as well. But also - I reserve skepticism for defining and having total faith in the ultimate truth or nature of things ... until I experience it for myself.
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I think statement 1 invites the conclusion that people who don't live a monastic level of detachment can't go against their desires and have agency for how they act. I would go against this idea and say people can, they can, and they don't need to live in a monastery. They can have a family, and live in the world. Many cultivators I know do. 1 foot in and 1 foot out as they say. Statement 2 I see this as another way of defining spiritual bypassing. I think this is common for all people. But I don't think we are repressing our humanity by choosing to go against our desires. I think it is kind of an idol or conformity to think our desires are ultimate.
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Very interesting. Can you expand more on what you mean by "getting numb towards what women feel". In what way? I do think that just comes with being more grounded and less outcome dependent and validation seeking. However I'm curious to know what your perspective on it is?
