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Ok well even if we say a newborn is intelligent, that is coming from billions of years of instincts encoded in it, which is essentially just data. Intelligent behaviour is always coming from data and experience in some way or another. I don’t see how a newborn with a billion years of evolutionary data encoded in it is all that different from an AI model with billions of parameters encoding various concepts.
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On a serious note: Assumption is the mother of all fuckups. That one just keeps on giving...
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@Schizophonia I like how your profile picture is promoting monster drink lol
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Make a distinction between what is claimed and what is intellectually "known" and theorized about, and what actually goes on in practice: what's encouraged, what's discouraged, how people interact with each other, how they treat Leo, how "dissidents" are seen, etc. Don't stay with the claims and surface impressions - ask yourself how things may operate when people interact here. Claiming things is always easy. You can claim (and think) anything. You already do. I can claim to be able to turn into a kangaroo while on 5-MeO. That doesn't make it true. Everyone's shit stinks, so don't assume this group is exempt. The alien recording is brought up as a template or instance where certain dynamics are made more evident. Who really confronts, or dares to confront, Leo's bullshit? How is it unreasonable to keep him accountable according to standards he's set up for himself? But you see that instead of admitting his failure, he'd rather ban and unmod a few members. All in the name of, what? Consciousness and Goodness, I'm sure. We like to do this here. Now separate your likely reaction of dislike to this post - partly based on frustration and a sense of injustice - from its underlying message. Saying "this is not a cult, think for yourself" doesn't mean it isn't actually a cult, or that it doesn't contribute to cultist dynamics within the group. Read @zurew's posts if you want a "Tier 2, epistemically responsible, big dick member." Nice profile picture, by the way. It's also likely that a lot of negative meanings are associated with the term cult itself. I'm not saying Leo is necessarily evil, deceiving people, etc. It's essentially that you're expected to believe him - you and I know the theory, but go past the chatter. I'm not even sure this is recognized for what it is by Leo when it happens. It just comes across as "progress" or loyalty, perhaps, depending on the case.
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Sorry if what I said came off as that . you asked about maybe there is a little control we can act on in our lives but that doesn’t mean we don’t have control at all ..isn’t that what you asked ? my answer was as accurate as knife . I told you it’s not that you have a little control or no control at all. I told you there is no separate self who has either little control or no control at all . So the question “ do we have no control at all or just a little control?” Is based upon a false assumption. And the answer to it is both are false (little control or zero control ).
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No one is entitled to a response from anyone else. Though i can understand feeling frustrated by that. And I get you liked the dude, but this is getting tin foil hat like with regards to his ban. I wish the dude the best but the dude was acting like some sort of satirical spiritual cartoon character.
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Interesting, I had suspicion you would be “speechless” I notice the trend, I (or someone else) could write in a very literal and precise manner, and we are still misunderstood or not understood at all Almost as if the person only understands the topic at hand if it’s in the specific style they were taught it, showing they actually don’t understand it on deeper level, because if they would, deviations in the language would still be understandable
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Testicles.
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Normally Leo is nice so I don't know; but I also know that many people can't stand having their position challenged. I think it's a mistake to be like that because it sacrifices better paradigms.
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Please rephrase the question and expand on it . I feel like you are playing dumb pretending you don’t get what I’m saying when you actually do .
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To put the whole Nahm situation into perspective..this is how I see it: Leo removed Nahm from the moderation team because their understandings of awakening had fundamentally diverged. Their approaches were no longer compatible..and it eventually became clear that they were moving in completely different directions. The ban happened shortly afterward because Nahm began privately messaging Actualized.org members and inviting them to join his own forum.. which was copy pasting Actualized.org. From Leo’s standpoint.. crossed a line. Whether people agree with it or not.. I can understand why he felt banning Nahm was the only logical response. I don’t think Leo had many realistic alternatives. That said..I also think it’s important to recognize that Nahm was never some manipulative scammer talking gibberish and fooling around . He struck me as an exceptionally wise mature person. I believe there was room for genuine dialogue with him..particularly around expanding his positions beyond reducing everything to thoughts and beliefs. Personally..found Nahm’s contributions to the forum extraordinary. Time and time again he engaged deeply with what members were actually saying..challenged assumptions with genuine curiosity..and even showed empathy and emotional support for people lost .and offered guidance that I found remarkably insightful and practical. In my experience..many of his posts resonated far more strongly than Leo . Leo on the other had until this day still acts increasingly distant and dismissive. The “don’t befriend me” attitude ..the brief one-line replies ,..and the tendency to leave members with cryptic responses and a lot of time not responding AT ALL to people begging him to respond .It is honestly very annoying. Sorry but I felt I needed to finally say that.
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Your a dumbass anyway if you seriously think this is even close to being a cult. Be serious. It's an insult, like calling guys rapists because you don't like them. Your average Reddit is 100x more of a cult.
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Did you insult him or did he just not like you didn't lick his testicles enough.
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I get your concerns man. And I agree there is a place for allowing cult accusations, and I agree that suspiciousness could arise. But you aren't acknowledging that many of the accusations are either bad-faith or very unreasonable
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Human culture doesn't eveolve fast enough. Ai would continue to get better IF humans could recreate the entire past two thousand years of creativity in a few years but it can't so ai trained on the good shit but now it's primarily training on (some good shit) but mostly bullshit .
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Being scared is fun.
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Totally agree
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Wow that was quite the poetic sentence . And yes that is a fair point.
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What difference does it make if something is an illusion if from your POV it seems to be real?
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Come on man. You make a reasonable argument before this and then make this Nahm argument again. i don't mean to be rude but this Nahm argument is a bit ridiculous. As I alluded to in my previous comment, the guy was giving cartoonishly bad advice in his mod position.
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I'm a party pooper. Not enough of an acolyte. I kept confronting Leo on his claims and pointing out certain hypocrisy and denials - in my characteristically annoying way.
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Agree there is agency in it, but ultimately because the frame lacerates out part of the systems of social reality, one is bound to run into some interesting conundrums and potential traps 🙃
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Oh I accidentally quoted you instead of “someone here” user that’s why I wanted to respond to you too, hence the accident. I was gonna say something about how this place has become a community that some feel very connected to, so I think it’s not too uncommon to go through a phase of being a little excessively drawn here and to expressing oneself in this place (as it can feel very free, until one is banned lol). I think it’s something that will balance itself out after a while for most
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You make fair points, assuming the non-duality ban thing is true. Except for the point about Nahm. Nahm deserved the demotion. A guy could've been homeless, on food stamps and asking about how to find a job, and Nahm would've told him it was just a thought. Leo demoting him was very reasonable. And Leo was very lenient with him and gave him many chances.
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Assuming the moon is available for feedback is a trauma response based in laminated intentions..
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