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Thought Art replied to Thought Art's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
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Carl-Richard replied to Meeksauce's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I've observed or sort of deduced that when you learn more about health on your own you become more and more an "alternative health" person. It could also be when you learn more and more about intellectual ideas on your own, you become more and more "woo woo". "On your own" here would mean simply driven by your own interests and logic rather than the standard cultural conditioning or standard establishment thinking. If you look at the intellectual people I like, like Kastrup, Sheldrake, they're as woo woo as me and they are both quite independent thinkers (have existed peripherally or at odds with the establishment for long periods of time). Sheldrake unironically writes papers about whether the Sun is conscious ☀️👀 -
Natasha Tori Maru replied to Majed's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
The thing is, the trap more commonly fallen into on these forums tends to be explanation = understanding. Explanation is NOT understanding!! -
I advocate for pure understanding that is rooted in holism and a lack of self-bias
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Natasha Tori Maru replied to Majed's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@LordFall But the overall effect of dialogues like this can just be... offence - do you think it is the right thing to do when the effect is a negative outcome like this for the recipient? It isn't hard to detect this in debate, and then halt. It might be worth questioning why we continue - just to serve ourselves? -
Meeksauce replied to Meeksauce's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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I agree with you on the mechanics of persuasion, @Natasha Tori Maru. If the goal is cooperative debate or changing someone's mind, sledgehammering logic creates instant polarization. But persuasion requires a willing, good-faith participant. Sometimes grace and cooperation advance a discussion. Other times, you encounter an irreconcilable conflict with someone who brings bad-faith hostility, personal jabs, and dogmatic posturing. When someone chooses that route on a forum dedicated to high-level intellectualism, cooperative debate is off the table. My goal isn't to convert a hostile actor; it's to establish a firm boundary and completely dismantle the credibility of their position. I always prefer good-faith, cooperative exchange. But if someone chooses an adversarial road, I have zero problem meeting them on those terms and not backing down. That's just the reality of high-stakes dialogue.
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Yimpa replied to Oppositionless's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
That’s all I need baby -
A glass of lemonade has extra spark in the middle of the Sahara.
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Natasha Tori Maru replied to Majed's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@LordFall reframe it like this; if we bring our own armchair-psychology character judgements into discussions, without relating to the person through questioning their meaning, experience, feelings and thoughts, we end up polarising them against us. They won't feel seen. They will feel mischaracterised and misunderstood. Most people will close themselves off to any further good faith discussion because you make judgements based on inference. This feels unjust and unfair to the recipient. What we should have done is just ask for further clarification. Sometimes it's as simple as that. No "shadow" stuff. No insecurity. No childhood trauma. Just inability to make the person feel understood. If someone doesn't feel seen, it's going to be very difficult to change their mind. We can't just sledgehammer everyone with logic (not saying you do, but if we really, earnestly want to engage with someone, pissing them off via the mechanism outlined above really isn't an effective mode of debate). People willfully ignore whatever truth we bring when they feel misunderstood / mischaracterised. And even if they do admit the truth, they certainly won't admit out loud to us. -
LordFall replied to Thought Art's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Thought Art Not about who is smarter, just about keeping the focus on macro data when discussing geopolitics. Take care man. -
I would guess that most adult women wouldn't be interested in that kind of thing in reality. But it looks cool and romantic in theory. So, teen girls might find it romantic... or women who aren't really interested in the reality when the rubber meets the road. Like, I remember being about 14 or 15 and watching this young punky couple get married on television. And during their vows, they were suspended from hooks that attached to many piercings in their backs. And because I was into their aesthetic and quite young, I thought it was romantic and interesting to see these two attractive punky people that looked the male and female versions of one another get married that way. And I thought that I might like to get married that way, as it fit the persona that I was trying to embody... and the type of guy that I was interested in attracting. But by the time I was 16, I had grown out of that kind of thing and saw it more as a gimmick that wouldn't actually be very interesting in real life... even though I was still a fan aesthetically, as an artistic photo shoot. So, my guess is that there are a lot of young women who are thinking about it more from a "What a cool aesthetic thing to do?" or even homing in on the fact that the couple is attractive, has a similar aesthetic, and is doing something daring and interesting. in that, there can be a fantasy of being of the same kind as your partner (like the punky woman and man who had that sameness about them).
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kavaris replied to Meeksauce's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This is also veering slightly off subject, but ive asked a few of these arabic speaking families here if they know about the Genie in a bottle and like magic carpets, etc., and they dont know what any of that stuff is, And im upset.... thought this was like well known stories, And they dont know what any of that even is in the slightest. I guess its just gonna be all but forgotten then, oh well. note, to be fair they also didnt know what Ancient arabia was either, so watever myth it comes from, watever desert location it relates to isnt well known, let alone is it like a public thing i dont think, iuno. -
I agree, I've discovered there are no poor countries in the world, they are even and uneven distributions of wealth (this is a diagnosis, not claiming how to solve this). In so called poor countries, the rich elite live much better than the normal rich in European countries. The mansions I've seen in Egypt are almost unheard of in Europe. Also women are not as oppressed as I thought specially for rich families, in general most women are well integrated in society and work, but there are some strong details like a constant masculine sense of superiority and domination, which are very off. Also quite an interesting thing I noticed is that being sex and love affection so restricted and oppressed in these countries, actually having sex within the country feels so pleasurable and exciting. In contrast with US or other highly sexualized places I've visited, actually having sex loses that spark. It's been a very interesting insight that I already had on an individual level, but the twist on the collective has given a holistic ripple to my understanding in the matter.
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kavaris replied to Meeksauce's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I nrver thought id say this, but i want that cock-in-a-bottle now, so that we can all be jumped forward in time, per how cocks in bottles operate, probably, to see then, like, what its like when its been made very clear, cause now theres a whole new issue afoot... Sht would be crazy. - Today
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Honestly, she seems like she's in a very vulnerable state. And it could be a coping mechanism to try to tune out from the stresses of being in such a vulnerable place because she has no support system... and behaving in desperate ways because of the lack of money and social support, with no clear way to escape the precarious position that she's in. I get that, from your perspective, it's not someone you want to be with. And it's important to filter out those who are that vulnerable for that reason. But I would say that you probably hit an abandonment trigger for her when you were invested and then switched things up... as she was already abandoned by family when you met her. So, that may have repeated the rug pull of the abandonment trauma that she had gone through with family. Honestly, there's a chance she could have a personality disorder. But even without a personality disorder, that is honestly just how people behave when they're in a desperate place and lacking in financial and social support. And that may have created more of a feeling of hopelessness and pushed her into suicidal ideation. So in the future, I'd recommend setting boundaries early where you filter out women who are in a vulnerable state... instead of trying to help and building a connection and then switching up.
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kavaris replied to Meeksauce's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
i just watched somethin on Charlie Murphy tlkin bout how he was going to the club w/ Eddie Murphy in the 80s, and he got Charlie to wear this green, sparkly bus boy lookin jacket-nd-getup. And they got to the club, nd ppl were lookin at him and his brother Eddie, wonderin.. And they ask 'em "hay, whos the cat you're with, he looks like a magician or somethin' ". Thats what its gonna be like one day, theres gonna be these scientists tryina tell everyone bout the magic of science, inexplicably defining things - in as much as it can define. And then theres just gonna be... everyone else, whos looked at that void, like "wait, the last... 100 years, we dont really know anything still... like..." Is that purely a technical limitation. Or is that something deeper, our inability to realize a simple truth about the inherent limitations there, and how it translates to everything, in that way of 'wondering... As, its a magiciany curiosity at that point, cause... it's, "whos that guy in the back", right?... "is he like, a magician, or Whys he got a glittery green jacket", its quite strange, in the future—in the most obvious way, where the conscious experience is then the sought after element. Or maybe everyone will just be still scratching their head by then, ha, who knows. Maybe they will all die on the hill, before being caught exiting the search and answers from science. -
Thought Art replied to Thought Art's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@LordFall Okay, you are just better and smarter than me. I really didn’t know that thank you. -
Leo Gura replied to Meeksauce's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Quantum Unicorn Chromodynamics -
LordFall replied to Thought Art's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Right so your main point is that we are trusted and have many trade partners. I then debunked that we cannot pivot as 75% of our trade goes to the US and these are multi industry procurement deals that take years or decades to make. You then invalidate my point and link to random videos of Carney appealing to the country saying slogans like WE ARE STRONG AND WE DO NOT BACK DOWN. Like really? Sorry man I think you are probably a well meaning person but our standards for intellectual rigor are different. My whole point with calling you emotions over logic is that in both discussions you strayed away from the hard conclusions in favour of more a more sentimental conclusion that I then proved wrong. Your main point was that Muhammad was not a warlord and that you enjoy the spirit of islam and the poetry of it. That's cool but I linked the definition of a warlord. You could say that you don't think he's a warlord and he was a rapper and that's your truth but that's just as inaccurate. You once again based your thoughts on Mark Carney based on how he appears not what the country's actual situation actually is. We will see how it goes and it's fine if you wanna discuss vague generalities but to me that's not really helpful in anyway shape or fact. What exactly is your problem against using AI to quickly find and identify the actual numbers that shape this negotiation? Did I say anything incorrect or is this once again a feelings based objection? This was exactly my criticism of Carney in my first reply. He appeals to people's pride and ego and pumps people up YES WE ARE PROUD CANADIANS WE WILL NOT BACK DOWN and I think he likes to feel strong and powerful and it's hurting his negotiation abilities with the Americans. You're kind of proving my point by falling for it without talking about what we are negotiating about and running away from the actual reality of our economy. These feelings of pride will not help Canadians when hundreds of thousands of people lose their job due to ego based posturing. Sorry like this is geopolitics not spirituality. If we aren't talking facts what are we talking about? -
The heart-opening feelings are more chest-centered and emotional, while orgasm is more loins-centered and physical. So, they're two totally different feelings. So, my claim is that women will generally have a better experience of sex if the focus is more emotional and intimacy-driven... than it is to put most of the focus towards orgasms. And I was saying that most women would prefer a man who's average at sexual techniques that she feels a connection with... compared to a man who's amazing at giving women orgasms but is lacking in the connection/emotions department.
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Meanwhile, I'm playing an unofficial restoration of a 22 year old game. https://lostcity.rs/t/faq-what-is-lost-city/16
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Oppositionless replied to Meeksauce's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Intellectuals, especially physicists, are woo. That's the rule not the exception . If you believe abstract math are literally real and pray to invisible quantum fields you can never directly encounter you're a magician.
