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Hayato replied to Rafael Thundercat's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
How about the opposite version body for a lifetime, in other words - reincarnation. -
Breakingthewall replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What means nothing? Why did you think that you are nothing if you are something now? If being dead is nothing you couldn't remember it because it's nothing that could be remembered. If it is something it's not being dead, it's being in another state, so it's an idea that come to your mind. Imo any idea about what happens when you die is just an idea that is happening now in our human mind. The only possible real realization is what are you now. It's not a "realization" in the human mind, it's the total absence of contraction now. It's not "nothing" or "something", both ideas are inside of the limits that makes definitions possible, it's the openess, limitless, totality. I don't mean to know that you are limitless because limits are imaginary and that, but truly being limitless now. Then you don't know nothing but that you are, and that's everything, you see your true face, it's not any entity, god, soul, creator, or anything, it's the vastness , the unlimited, and you want to be dissolved in it because you are that. The problem with this is that human mind need limits to preserve sanity, feeling of ground. The mind prefers anxiety than freedom because freedom feels like death, then the work is inmersión little by little, adaptation. The real question is: do you have now a feeling of total fullness, totally present, alive, empty of contraction, or not? If not, there is contraction. Im in contraction 80% of time, or maybe 90 or more, but I can to dissolve the contraction sometimes. Then I know exactly how it works, it's like a delicate balance and alignment that have to be achieved, then the contraction falls. First time that happens you will cry loud and you will say alleluia. -
Mellowmarsh replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
When Enlightenment goes dark is the entrance to absolute truth. -
robhr replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I'unnow it's just a word, it can be placed within any concept you wish, now I'm enlightened on this concept now I'm enlightened on that concept. The total enlightenment, the spiritual figuring out and embracing and becoming, well the further you get the less interested you are in discussing the concept of spiritual enlightenment, you pretty much just leave it now you're just discussing spiritual concepts intellectually. No there's no myth there's just a label boundary, putting incorrect emotional salience on the concept of enlightenment. -
Mellowmarsh replied to Stick's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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It's like if the police interact with 10 people, 1 of them is just gonna commit a crime right there on the spot. It's like there's a bunch of people that at any moment if a police interact with them, they will incriminate themselves and go to prison. Even when they committed no real crime, they will commit a crime just because a police officer spoke to them. I remember feeling and behaving this way when I was five years old, and I didn't like authority with teachers and stuff.
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My favourite genres are... Ambient, Post-Rock, Psychedelia, IDM, Neoclassical, Shoegaze, Post-Hardcore and "Post-Metal." I also go all over 60s psychedelic pop, indie rock and indie pop, I like to hit every genre and find my favourites within the obscure or less obscure subgenres, it means sometimes I need to submit my indie cred though. My favourite artists are... Boards of Canada, Tim Hecker, Steve Reich, Sonic Youth, Bardo Pond, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Autechre, 65daysofstatic, Radiohead and My Bloody Valentine. After that within post-rock my higher favourites are Daturah, Jakob, Saxon Shore, Blueneck, Sweek, The Evpatoria Report, Yndi Halda, Mono, Redjetson and The Antarcticans. Within ambient my next higher favourites are Deaf Centre, 2814, Biosphere, Deathprod, Susumu Yokota, Christopher Bissonnette, Belong and Gas. My favourite from the 60s is The Doors.
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robhr replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I go... God is a pantheistic expression, God is the sum of all things. I go neurotheology, God is that little unconscious force in the back of your mind that presents itself in dreams or on psychedelics, this is your core personality expression, your soul expression, this unconscious flow bubbles up into your semi-conscious processing space that becomes your conscious line of thought and so we are all God doing God's work at all times, this is a deterministic reality. -
Mellowmarsh replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Anyways… God is every beating heart muscle. And every heart that stopped beating. -
i find it funny how the cops take everything personally.
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I regularely went to a table tennis bar alone. It was hard in the beginning and I didnt socialize much. Gradually I made it my home and know a lot of people now.
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Mellowmarsh replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The last post won’t let me type a response. I don’t know how to fix the problem. -
Mellowmarsh replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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Mellowmarsh replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I completely understand what you’re saying here. I’ve heard this same old story said many times in multiple ways. I get it, but it’s not something that’s been a a part of what makes me “me” So honestly, I don’t know if you will ever believe me when I tell you that I have always known my absolute nature from the age of when I first became aware I existed as a life form. I remember being 5 and thinking to myself I am nothing, I came from nothing and will return to the nothing that I naturally remembered coming from. I remembered being dead. Yes, I remembered that state of being dead, I intuitively knew I was just an imaginary character in a dream. My awakening was a continuous stream of feeling and knowing my absolute nature that I’ve been experiencing every day of my life. I first felt the awakening at age 5, and it’s never left my side as I’ve aged. I was literally born understanding my absolute nature. -
Treating very eccentric, erratic, energetic actors as misunderstood geniuses.
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1. Physicalism (consciousness = brain activity) Consciousness is produced by the brain—like a process or output. The brain does something complex enough → consciousness appears 2. Dualism (mind ≠ body) Consciousness is not physical—it’s a different kind of substance. Body = physical Mind = non-physical 3. Idealism (consciousness is fundamental) Consciousness is not produced by the brain The brain exists within consciousness Reality itself is mental or experiential at its base. Solves the “hard problem” by making consciousness primary Aligns with the idea that all experience happens within awareness 4. Panpsychism (consciousness is everywhere) Consciousness exists in all matter, even at basic levels. Not that rocks think—but they may have primitive experience Complex consciousness (like humans) = combinations of simpler forms Avoids the “sudden emergence” problem Takes subjective experience seriously Problem: How do tiny bits of consciousness combine into a unified mind? 5. Epistemology comes back in Here’s where your original question becomes powerful again: We are trying to study consciousness using… consciousness itself. That creates a loop. So epistemology asks: Are we limited by our own perspective? Can we ever observe consciousness objectively? Is subjective experience a valid form of knowledge? 6. The honest conclusion Right now, none of these fully “wins.” Science explains mechanisms well Philosophy explores meaning and limits But the essence of consciousness is still unresolved 7. A thought to sit with No matter which theory is true: 👉 Everything you’ve ever experienced—including this conversation—exists within your consciousness That’s the one thing you can’t step outside of to verify.
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Mellowmarsh replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Breakingthewall Just remember that this is still your personal opinion on the subject. Or as Leo would say..” your personal self bias “ It’s not about the messenger is it, it’s about listening very carefully to the message and then making up your own mind about what you have heard, or what you have gleaned as being useful and valuable, or rejecting it completely. It’s no good bashing the messenger, because they are just a conduit for information. No person has authority or monopoly on information. Information is what everything is literally made of. If you like what you hear, if what you are listening to speaks to your heart, then that’s all that matters, surely that’s all we’re doing anyway, just walking each other home. If you don’t like what you’re hearing, then you can always stop listening, or maybe just listen to your own thoughts and forget about other people’s ideas. All you need to do is make up your own mind about what is true for you. We all get our ideas from the same place anyway, so take it or leave it. Or just be like a child again, completely in the moment, innocent without a care in the world. Or be like a non verbal animal, completely void of a “me” story. -
Breakingthewall replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
When I say we are trapped, I don't mean knowing you're going to die and then be free, but being trapped right now by energetic barriers that prevent you from opening up to your absolute nature. That is, if you sit down to meditate right now, and focus completely on this moment, without interpretation, without mind, there will still be a barrier. You will be in a silent but closed-off experience. There is an atavistic fear of non-being, a need for control that goes beyond the logical mind, which creates this closure. With the help of drugs, you can more easily look directly at this barrier and gaze directly into the limitless abyss that this moment represents when you strip it of everything. It is there that you can take the step of total surrender to the limitless. If you do this many times, the barriers begin to relax. Don't deceive yourself; they are real, genetic, and powerful. At a certain point, you will be open to the totality and you will be the totality. Then the glass is filled, the prodigal son has returned, after a long and hard journey through a shitty desert of desolation, isolation and alienation. This is not an abstract or vague realization that you are consciousness or anything like that, it's the action of opening yourself to yourself: the reality. -
5. Putting it all together When you analyze “consciousness” properly: Etymology → “knowing with” (Latin roots) Modern meaning → awareness, experience, subjectivity Epistemology → questions whether and how we can truly understand or verify it This word is a great example of why your approach matters: If you only use etymology, you might say: 👉 “Consciousness just means knowing with” But epistemology pushes you further: 👉 “Is that actually what we experience? How do we know what consciousness really is?”
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4. The epistemological challenge of “consciousness” Unlike something concrete (like “tree”), consciousness raises questions like: How do I know I am conscious? Can I prove that other people are conscious? Is consciousness something physical, or something beyond measurement? Philosophers like René Descartes approached this by saying: “I think, therefore I am” — consciousness is the one thing you can’t doubt
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3. Epistemological step (how do we know what it really means?) Now we question the knowledge: a) Source reliability Are we getting this from: historical linguistics? (more reliable) or a simplified internet breakdown? (often incomplete) b) Concept vs word problem Here’s the key insight: -The word “consciousness” has an origin - But the experience of consciousness is much harder to define or verify This is where epistemology gets deep.
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2. Evolution of meaning This is where people often oversimplify. Even though the roots suggest “knowing with,” modern consciousness is used in several different ways: Basic awareness → being awake vs unconscious Self-awareness → awareness of yourself as a subject Phenomenal experience → what it feels like to experience something So the original root ≠ full modern meaning.
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Breakingthewall replied to Stick's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It would be much more accurate if you said that it is reality organized in such a way that it records a chain of events creating a duality between subject and object, and we call this structure consciousness. -
Mellowmarsh replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You’re welcome to hold this opinion of course. But it’s not how I personally vibe. For me, there’s no trap. I’ve never felt trapped by life or anything else for that matter. Why, because I’m aware this limited temporary entity called “me” will cease to be at the death of the body. On the contrary, I also believe that even if there were traps that are breakable, that doesn’t necessarily mean no more traps will appear in the future. So I’m not interested in talking on the roll of a trap breaker. My personal experience has shown me to always expect the unexpected, as my personal life feels like it’s been a continuous stream of just waiting for the next bad thing to happen, and so far, it’s never disappointed me in that regard, I’m literally being stripped of everything in every moment, including the person I think I am, for even that is constantly changing all the time, to the point I hardly recognise myself anymore. For me, there’s no winners here, there’s only losers. As a finite entity, I lose everything, as nothing ever belonged to me. I even inherited a world that was not of my making when I was born. I didn’t have any choice but to fall in line to the world I was born into. Also, as a finite character, I am fully aware that I am not real, I am just an illusory temporal image, something that will be here today, gone tomorrow. Appearing from nothing and returning to nothing, just like all dreams. Now this may seem negative and depressing, but it’s just how I see things from my personal perspective, I’m not saying it’s true for everyone else. That said, I’m totally accepting and have surrendered to the invisible life force that is living as and through this body mechanism that is me. I’m fully aware that this me was never in control of any of this living. I have fully opened my eyes to a truth that I’m not afraid to look at. In fact I’m literally not afraid of anything. I am completely fearless of both life and death. In fact,. I can’t think of anything more blissful than existing as a dream character, or even not existing at all, as in deep dreamless sleep. I used to be scared of certain things, but since my awakening, all that fear just completely disappeared. -
Breakingthewall replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Seems that this topic is too complicated for you, but anyway I will try to explain. Look, many spiritual teachers talk to appear enlightened, many times contradict themselves. You can't believe in anyone. It's the same if he's venerated or if he looks a saint. If someone tells that there is nothing to achieve, nothing to do, it's clearly a lie. If you live in dense state , full of emotional barriers, you have to do a big work, walk a long path. You have to do inner work and external work to align your life in the sufficient level to be able to be open to all your unconscious mind, then you can try to open yourself totally without limits now. This is not something that happens without a real serious work in the correct direction. Ramana s teaching are vague, not concrete at all, contradictory. If you listen Ramana 30 minutes you will get the feeling that he's very elevated but zero inspiration for your personal work. In fact, you will think that there is nothing to do, and you will get stuck in your actual situation.
