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@Miguel1 I guess my main concern is Herpes type 2, which 1 in 9 people has, but they say 80-90% of carriers are either unaware or almost asymptomatic. Maybe it's not a big deal.
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You are high on testosterone and horniness, full of chemicals my dude But seriously, why so blue?
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You mean to say that I'm in a padded room somewhere imagining Leo Gura's, Natasha's, etc? Jk jk.
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Gut out interpretation. I do not use psychedelics - anymore.
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I don't know why but as time goes on, I see that I'm not eligible for Leo's path on spirituality. I'm not into psychedelics, chemicals or whatever substance. I'm just sober (no chems or alcohol).
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@Leo Gura How squirrelly of you - well played
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And by God I mean God
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By direct experience I mean free of interpretation. Raw sensation.
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Direct experience that you are God imagining everything.
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@Leo Gura Direct experience of solipsism? Does direct experience contain existential claims?
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To understand that everything is a hallucination you have to take a psychedelic and contemplate how there can be a difference between hallucination and anything else. You will see that everything is a hallucination. This is too deep to understand sober.
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But then you would be the one imagining everything right? So this is your play.
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@Leo Gura regarding the distinction between reality and hallucination itself being a hallucination, I came at this from another angle. I went with the distinction between real and imaginary itself being imaginary. How exactly do get a real distinction between these without using imagination? In that sense real is imaginary. The problem is that although this makes sense it didn't break me and cause an existential crisis. it probably means I'm not conscious of it. How would I know if I'm conscious of such things?
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What I am talking about is not a concept. You are imagining everything.
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I currently live with my grandma. I was looking into opportunities with the Polaris project. This is an anti human trafficking agency. It values survivors willing to help others in improving support systems. I reached out to this organization because of what my father and his gang did to me with their child prostitution deals. The problem is that my father is my grandma's son. I wanted to make sure that we were on the same page in terms of the job opportunity I was reaching for. I sent in a document in which I detailed what I had witnessed along with my research into organized crime. This is related to another opportunity I hesitated to tell my family about in which I would be leading a support group for male survivors of childhood sexual abuse. The problem is that my mother doesn't believe me when I say that she psychologically and sexually crippled me because of what she did to me. I can't really tell my family about that part either. My grandma said "I don't believe you." She sounded pretty pissed. She insisted that my father didn't have an extensive criminal record nor was he involved in gangs. She refuses to even admit the drug deals happened, but I documented child prostitution in a sex trafficking gang. She told me that she that I loved my father and was friends with him, but apparently not. I told her it was mixed because I was dealing with hard feelings like these for a long time. She doesn't seem to understand that it is possible for a child to love a father who did this to them. She definitely wouldn't grasp that it is possible for a father to traffic his children out of twisted sense of love. The problem is that she wants to be emotionally supportive due to my depression, but it is clearly dangerous to express the feelings I struggle with and to describe the experiences I had. I am pretty much on my own in terms of emotional support as family can't handle this information. Apparently most people can not comprehend parental sex offenders who target their own children. I can because I studied this, but others cannot. I'm not sure what better I could have done other than staying silent and suffering invisibly. There is nobody to look to who would be willing to help me with this. I probably gave more truth than she could handle, but in this case the truth is just that bad and there is no light version. I mean what else am I supposed to do? I don't mean to have suicidal depression, but the reasons for such feelings are unacceptable to others. I guess I should have kept her in the dark on this.
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But this experience is you right? Behind everything or in everything or both? Where does Leo's view and yours clash?
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EmiHyen replied to EmiHyen's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Just a bit of context that might help answer your great question ✨ For months, I had been contemplating how everything exists inside something else. Everything seemed nested inside larger systems, endlessly. But in my normal state of consciousness, the insight stayed conceptual. My mind could think about infinity, but it couldn’t truly feel the implications of it. Everyday thoughts would quickly take over again. “I’m hungry.” “I need to work.” “There’s this problem I have to solve.” But with the substance, my mind felt “fresh” because it wasn’t operating from its usual state. Kind of like when someone gets a bit drunk and their shyness or social insecurities temporarily fade away, allowing them to express themselves more freely 🥴 With weed, alongside that conceptual insight about infinity, the question suddenly became immediate: Wait… if this is infinite, where the hell am I? Like really? Am I one cell? All of them together? And what about what’s inside those cells? And inside that? Does it keep going forever? Do the labels even matter anymore? What is this? I looked around the room and everything felt strangely unfamiliar. SCARY unfamiliar. My mind and my body too! haha🌀The experience became more about directly feeling this overwhelming sense of unknownness. And it made sense. If I’m infinite but experiencing "Me" through a finite mind, then of course it would feel unknown. And it also made sense that, if everything is connected, then all is One. The One is this. And this is all it is. I can’t feel it now in the exact same way I did in that altered state of mind, but I can still revisit parts of it through imagination and contemplation. Since then, that experience has almost become a kind of base layer for how I observe reality now. I keep testing what I saw against everyday life itself, just by observing, connecting things, and noticing patterns. All keeps making sense. Of course, emotions come and go, and survival mode eventually kicks back in 🤜. At first, the experience scared me, but over time the integration has actually been really positive -
Same for me (as in, I see that for you). Bryan is putting out a good message - totally agree.
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@Eskilon Oneness is behind everything - remove space and time. This is my philosophy though, separating absolute from relative. I say philosophy as it is a conceptual layer. There is experience. And then: All interpretations of what that implies are added.
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Raze replied to Rafael Thundercat's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
He’s projecting his high minded ideas into feminism as a whole and ignoring the practical realities of it. It’s no different than if I said the redpill manosphere is just “men realizing their divine masculine energy to better help society, anyone who doesn’t like it is attacking it because it exposes them to the truth”. -
@Natasha Tori Maru Yeah but you are rare. Awakening has helped me in the same way. I can foresee deeeeeep levels of maturity are in my future. What Bryan is doing is far more practical and accessible for most people. Having healthy cells that make up our society is important. Human evolution and development requires holism. Leo does his thing, other people do theirs. I say collect your bag of goodies. 1. Models of reality 2. Systems for living 3. Your update and refresh rate also, plenty of people have spirituality. They just aren’t as deep or infinite as Leo.
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Cool, neither do I. Disagree - I am sure Leo would tell you I am as pragmatic as they come. I have found God realization and deep philosophical, epistemological understanding to have greatly increased my output at work, and reduced suffering in the process. To the extend I enjoy all my time. At work, folding laundry, eating a meal, cleaning the toilet. There is no where I would rather be than in the present moment. Leo's work helped with that - as well as all of the supplementary work from other teachers.
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@Natasha Tori Maru So you do make a distinction between two kinds of solipsism... interesting. So, there's relative and absolute solipsism and the absolute is the correct one and the relative the false? Did Leo make this distinction in that video? I don't remember now
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@Natasha Tori Maru My goal is to have a mature assessment. I don’t assess him as a weird pervert guy. It’s clear the case has been judged and the matters dealt with siding with Bryan and showing malice and contempt of his ex fiancée. I have nuanced opinions about everything. This should be obvious as I am a follower of Leo’s work. I’m open to all humans being complex and full of good and bad. However, I consider Byran to be a man of high value, integrity and someone who is pursuing his life purpose with love in his heart. Someone who genuinely wants to serve and be of value to the world. It’s a very high life purpose he has, even if flawed. Cleaning up societies understanding of health and fitness, sleep, nutrition, and supply chains is a very practical thing. Leo says his work is practical. It’s not. Only for a niche domain of God realization and deep philosophical, epistemological understanding and awakening. All that is the highest life purpose for sure. But, to 99% of humans it’s useless. For now… But, for most of humanity I’d say getting serious about health and longevity is important. Old people tend to end up governing. Is clear to me health, food, sleep, exercise and having loving role models is impotent for future generations. We want healthy presidents, tree teachers, co-workers, bosses, friends, partners. Because healthy people in mind, body and spirit are far more likely to function properly and not create shit hole societies, workplaces, government systems, etc… does health mean someone can be evil? No… but, I’d bet healthy people who sleep well overall are more well balanced and less likely to distort their thinking in weird twisted ways assuming normal genetics. Who knows what our food supply, information and social media ecosystem is doing to us, poisoning us, killing us. We are swimming in a sea of corruption and bullshit. Bryan is displaying it and making it known and showing healthy path forward. That’s his role. So fuck Leo and his shitty attitude frankly on this matter. Hey, I’m deeply flawed. Leo is. Bryan is. We all are. But, that to me doesn’t matter because everyday we can grow. I see that in Bryan.
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@Leo Gura I understand metaphysical solipsism as a concept. I understand it from an Absolute. It just isn't a direct thing - not an experience - relatively.
