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Speaking is a creation.
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Yes, but speaking, as an activity itself, is an experience. You feel into your body and mind, learning how to control different muscles, make different gestures, and use different techniques to bring across a subject of interest. Of course, the content of what's being spoken about better be authentic. If it's based out of speculation and theory regurgitation, it loses signal. I'm a school teacher by trade, so I'm biased
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Joseph Maynor replied to VeganAwake's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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You are certainly living up to your name! Great wonder seeking - can't wait until you pop in with some insights after this trajectory change 😁
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Speaking is often a discourse about something not an experience of something.
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It sounds like you should get out and do more public speaking if it suits you. Experience the answer to the career vs cringe question. I'm curious about what you'll learn from taking action.
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You have to figure it out yourself.
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Nobody can tell you the truth. Not even Leo. You have to create the truth and then tell it to yourself.
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What matters is you got there. Whether on purpose or by accident But this time, if you want deeper awakening, you have to choose it consciously. Wecome to spirituality, Round 2. I'm in a similar boat.
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First of all I think it's right to have doubts. It sounds like you have something good going with this woman. Do you really think you'll find something better if you leave? The language barrier thing is understandable and relatable, I've experienced the same in Asia. I assume you want a relationship where you can co-evolve with her. The only way that happens is if one of you learns the other langauge strongly. At the end of the day taking spirituality to a high level requires some language competency because unless you're in the genetically gifted 0.000001% that can do spirituality without being taught it, you gotta learn it, which requires language. So either you accept that she's not gonna join you on the inner journey and stay in the relationship, or bounce. If you accept it, then try to explain to her, to the best of your ability, that you will have to leave for periods of time to think about life and see if she's ok with that. That's really all you can do.
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@LordFall Imo you must seperate. If you grow old you will not learn the important lesson of God taking away the most important thing to you. Its not about comfort its about giving yourself away and losing yourself and then finding yourself again. The appreciation of love comes after its gone. If you are looking to be comfortable then it is not the right idea for you. You arent looking for love with a woman you are looking for love with everything in the spiritual way. You cant do that unless you give yourself away and die when the thing you gave yourself too goes away. There may be other ways i dunno. But this way the thing will be gone and you can see its actually still there cause you are the thing you are looking for. THE ENTIRE TIME! Then goals and dreams fade as the most important thing to you and the only thing a man will surrender to that isnt himself, a woman, is not what you were looking for either. You were looking for the love and need the woman made you feel and its here right now. The woman is the tool to get the emotion thats locked inside of you.
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I somewhat agree with you. I don't think surrender is the right notion though because then the woman will have to carry you as baggage. For me I want to meet an equal in reality that God made for me to experience reality with and grow with. God is making me work for it.
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Its a bait to get liberals to not vote.
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Very much so. I always look at these sorts of charged discussions in retrospect to juice out what I can do better. How it went wrong. How we can present ourselves and our arguments in a more neutral way. Offense generally appears to be produced by content, framing, timing, and the listener’s identity and context.
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This is probably niche for this forum. But in 2 months I'll be moving to Chengdu 成都 Is there anybody on the forum who has lived in China before or is currently living in China? For those who haven't, living abroad is a great opportunity if you're: young, open-minded, want to flip the bird to corporate, tired of watching your country deteriorate, ready to get your pre-programmed cultural paradigms shattered without trying, eager to live somewhere that's on the rise, and already 30 years into the future. For me I've been living and teaching English in Korea for the past year. It's been an epic experience, but after doing 50+ hours of deep research, I decided on moving to China. After another 20 hours of militant outreaech, I landed a job there. The best part is, this move is allowing to: make 2x my Korean salary starting out, live in an apartment that would easily cost $3,000/month in the US, but only $415 in China, have the opportunity to learn the 2nd most spoken language in the world straight from the source, experience more exotic dating opportunities (it's so fascinating experiencing how sexually and relationally different things are out here). After doing lots of reasearch and experiencing things firsthand, I found that the US distorts reality when it comes to east Asia. It over-glorifies Korea and Japan (naturally because they are 2 of its major far east vassel states) and straight up demonizes China, acting like its a communist hell-hole. Based on firsthand, Korea is highly uncultured and materialistic. I mean, there is a culture, but it is 100% trends and K-nonsense. I haven't been to China yet, but I've personally watched over a dozen videos of creators essentially saying, "yeah, it's not perfect like any place, but overall it has world-class convenience, it feels extremely safe, and the west's portrayal of it is total propaganda." Again this is probably a niche post for this forum. I've been in my own bubble of researching and making this my life, because I've had the best time living exotic lifestyles in my 20s. I've had the good fortune of spending over a month in Mongolia and Alaska, almost a full year in South Korea, and muliple years in several US states. All before age 30. Nevertheless I'm putting this out there to see if any of you know about this opportunity. Cheers!
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Natasha Tori Maru replied to toasty7718's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
In the spirit of good discussion - here is my thesis What about the cost of living and providing for a family, and how this may factor in to birth rates? How do you think modernity (dare I say, capitalism), with it's atomisation of our living (possible to order in almost all we need, smaller families, more appliances, less reliance on anyone else, isolation) affects our psychologies, mental health and cost to maintain such an existence? The degradation of community as a result of atomisation means we rely on others less. No trade. No communal assistance. Smaller families to assist. Third spaces disintegrating. This is forfeit - and our cash and money now replace what community provided. We use our resources to supplant what we used to get from neighbors, friends, strong bonds with larger families. Ever since the wars, when society put women to work, a new labour force was discovered. Capitalism has benefited greatly from this; when the wars ended, women remained working as a new labour force. Women benefited from this. It was a natural progression; we gained economic independence, career opportunities, greater freedom and protection from dependance on a spouse. But there are many systemic unintended consequences to the above. The dual income trap arose; Housing markets and living standards adjusted upward around this new reality. Households that live on one income are priced out. I would argue it is this modern 'atomisation' that is, also, artificially causing a divide between men and women, which is acting as a red herring for the real problem: runaway capitalism. Men and women face different tensions as a result. Men historically derived meaning from provision, protection, family leadership, skilled labour, community status etc. This role has changed with modernity. Women face a different set of issues; expectation to build a career, maintain financial independence, raise children, maintain relationships, manage the house etc. Everyone works harder, we all feel less secure. This doesn't mean women working is the problem, but more that institutions probably haven't adapted that well to a world where all adults participate in the labour market. Social media rhetoric likes to cement itself right in the middle and leverage this pressure by creating men vs women dialogues. It's a red herring for the real problem. Depression, hopelessness, stress, meaninglessness result from the above. The future looks bleak - it's no wonder birth rates are falling in first wor;d countries Poorer counties simply do not suffer from this laceration from community and atomisation. They retain community. Family. Bonds between each other. Positively affecting mental health and happiness. They have yet to face the new systemic problems we do, as first world countries. - Today
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Its not real. Reality takes place on one frame. When you get down to it when you are your death bed you will realize you were making up your life from the point of view of being on a deathbed looking at a picture the entire time. And the other frames you were remembering were just imaginings like you can use your imagination right now. You will start thought looping as reality gets to less and less frames repeating over an over again and you will be forced into one frozen frame. And reality will become a painting. The causations are taking place the same way you can imagine a random event happening and then imagine another random event happening. Did those two events happen at causily to eachother? A little bit cause you imagined them. Did they happen in a timeline? No cause theres no timeline in your imagination.
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Delicious and instructive too.
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Careful what you wish for. If you completely cease to idolize women you won't want to be in a relationship with one at all. Then you will be lonely. Some idealization is healthy. Or if you want you can completely deconstruct the ideas of male vs female, relationships, and sex.
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General comments I get you bro. You think you might sometimes be seen as a weirdo in their eyes or as though you're acting better than them. I sometimes think that some women think that of me sometimes too. However, those impulses to filter for a good enough thing to say are what near everyone experiences around people they perceive as having a lot of value relative to them and a lack of understanding of how to close that gap. And when it comes to hot girls I'd say 95% of dudes feel this way around them. So, its not just a you thing :). I feel this way a fair amount too. I mean hot girls also feel like this towards dudes they are really attracted too. So, its just a human thing. You can do a range of things to work on not knowing what to say, and being more competent around hot girls. For example, having female friends, focusing on just being friends with girls at first, learning game, learning social skills. You can't really beat learning some game though. Its only natural that if no one has given you good advice on how to get a hot girl into you that you won't know wtf to say! Especially given the laughably deluded mainstream advice on it. Todd V is the best teacher, in my experience, for learning game hands down. You need good basic conversational skills too though. That said, I have MANY struggles in this area. So, I'd focus on advice from dudes who get significant results with girls from cold approach. That said, I like to give my thoughts here because although well-meaning I see other advice on this sub-forum and online which is clearly delusional. So, focus on my advice over the deluded shit hehe. For example, guys/ girls who give advice on cold approach having never cold approached once in their lives. Much of it is cope, or feeling threatened by game. ---- Techniques Here are some basic techniques from Todd V on having things to say. 1. Yes and... Whatever she says you say 'yes and...' then give your opinion. Very safe way of making conversation. Which non-crazy person will dislike someone for agreeing with them and adding to the conversation. 2. I love/ I hate For example, "I love pokemon. Its my favourite game" "I hate cold weather. It ruins my day". I love and I hate is a very strong/ alpha way of speaking. You'll actually be less likeable, but more polarising. So, you'll have more people strongly disliking you, and more people loving you. 3. Vibing Basically comment on whatever comes up in conversation. For example, she says "I don't like salads", what comes to me is "I hate salads too". A good way to do that is to wait until you something sparks in your mind to say. Then trust that whatever you thought of is good enough to say. Obviously there are some exceptions to this ;). 4. Storytelling A good story has three parts. Firstly, a situation. Secondly, an interruption to that situation. Thirdly, what changed after or because of this interruption. Also, you want to convey your or your character's inner experiences (thoughts, emotions, imaginations) during the story . That is the really interesting part. For example, (Situation) I used to not like Salads (inner experience). I would just eat junk food all day, and tell myself that it didn't really matter (inner experience). (Interruption) Then I watched a documentary about how people who spent their life eating junk food die significantly younger and it freaked me out (inner experience), and I realised I needed to change (inner experience). (Change) Ever since then I've been super health conscious and I still wince when I think of how bad my diet used to be (inner experience).
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@LordFall Well falling in love with a woman is a goal that beats them all. Its the best thing for a man to experience in life. Its a special experience that God created. Working and goals are man made but God created man and woman falling in love. Nothing man made compares to what God created because God created the human body specifically for doing that. Its not special for the universe but its special specifically for human beings. God made human body so you can give your soul to someone and they can hold it. A cat cannot do this. You cant actually give them your soul but you can pretend you are doing it an its just as real. I would go so far as say the only reason you exist now as a man is so you can give yourself away to a woman. You cant do this with a checkbox to have sex with 100 woman. The only reason you want to have sex is to experience God. When you give yourself away to a woman you are left with God(nothing). Thats why you are a human man to experience that pleasure of knowing God but the dark side of it. When you see the dark side you can appreciate the light and love with no bounds. A man wont surrender to another man or thing he will only surrender to a woman that he is in love with.
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Sure I think that can be true but I'm weary of infatuation it can cause problems. For me to fall in love with someone they would have to fit specific traits or I would reject them. Beauty in the way you describe it is not really the issue, if you believe in non-duality we all come from love and are beautiful in many ways that's not necessarily the issue. The issue for me is does this person fit into the life I wanna live and can help me achieve my goals?
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His nosejob took the bump off his nose that made him look individualistic. Now its like oh a clone or a completely different person. Which is what he wanted but not what other people wanted. Thats where looksmaxxing will take you. You will take a peice of art that God put on you that makes you you and after you wont feel like you. Cause it was never the features. Its body dismorphia AKA Schizophrenia.
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VeganAwake replied to VeganAwake's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yes, it certainly feels like there is a real conscious being, observing and experiencing reality from a dual subject/object perspective. Trace this recognition/experience backwards to its source. Where is it coming from? What is it exactly, that is claiming to have these experiences? What does it consist of?
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