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@oOoIs your life purpose writing by any chance?
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Elliott replied to Rafael Thundercat's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Hopefully they start firing big missiles now that the u.s. switched to Russian side. The only reason they haven't is to not provoke a larger attack by Russia, which seems moot now. -
The issue with this book is that Robert Greene often write in an archaic way which sounds sophisticated but isn't very convincing end of the day. Most of the stories are easily forgotten. There is also a lack of application in the book. Also, the book title was probably a result of him trying to pack many different topics into one book rather than a heartfelt aim to make a book on human nature. The topics also don't seem to be coherent. You can get more if you just research the book topics on your own.
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That's definitely true that it can be a slippery tactic when you don't know how it works. And people can definitely be doing it unconsciously as well. And I'm not sure how much the OP is doing this tactic consciously or unconsciously. I just know that he does it a lot. He'll come out with a really bold claim (or even sometimes a really extreme story). Then, when he inevitably gets challenged on it, he retreats to softer and more reasonable arguments as though that was what he was arguing all along. Or he frames the extreme story as just joking or trolling. So, he's either putting out controversial perspectives because it's what he genuinely thinks. But then he can't take the heat when he's challenged, and he instinctively retreats to the Motte. Or he's doing it on purpose in order to frame controversial opinions (about women/Muslims/etc.) as being normal and reasonable in order to try to normalize those controversial opinions in this space.
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Yep - nailed it. Once you get used to spotting this type of fallacy it is easy to navigate. But if you aren't well versed in it, when engaging, it has a feeling of being slippery, sly and just not right. Even when you cannot put your finger on it. You have to really pin the person down on the original claim and disregard the "Motte". Often repeatedly. It is quite a dishonest and disingenuous way of interacting as it can be a little ego wriggly mechanism. Sometimes people do present arguments that aren't initially clear and then rescind or amend their original claim - but they usually state this (for clarity to seek truth) rather than continue to push a line of reasoning that has changed in original premise without qualifying the initial mistake. I actually think some people engage in this way totally subconsciously and are surprised by the fallacious reasoning being called out. I view it mostly as egoicaly attempting to preserve the appearance of having been right all along.
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Thanks for sharing. I always wanted to see the top values of y'all. The following are in not any particular order for now. Courage. Open-mindeness. Patience. Creativity. Leadership. To me this means that I face fears and. To develop a sensitivity to spot my fears. With time this develops maturity and resilience. It is a commitment to not fearing Consciousness since is the only thing that I have. I look for new perspectives as much as possible. This would look like I listen to different audiobooks, read different books and listen to different experts. This is a source of motivation. It means I will encompass new ways of thinking and acting. The way to avoid getting into a rut. A must for growth. This means making short-cuts is not an option and that I enjoy being patient. It develops in tranquility since I don't have to rush, while at the same time I am deep into my work, relationships. Slow = fast. This means I must acquire the skills, the education and take the actions necessary so I develop a creative mind. I value creativity as a baseline. It is my north star. A source of happiness. I produce the space so others can express themselves authentically. The skill of seeing the intelligence in others and bringing it foward. To be a unitor. @kag101 What do your 4th and 5th values mean?
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I suppose I had enough memory to know I used to be a "Tash" and now I was not, never would be, that thing (Tash) again - because that thought was repeated. All memories? I don't even think I had time to comprehend a "self" before I was being reconstituted. It hit so hard and so fast, and the pure body horror took over. It was so encompassing there wasn't anything left of me but the feeling of the horror - and my visual field was hijacked in a way everything was sort of fucking itself and giving birth to my monstrosity of a body... The concept of being "stuck this way, forever, I have fucked up and its irreversible" was the biggest generator of negativity. I thought I flushed my sanity down the toilet. Actually this just made me recall: I distinctly remember thinking how I was going to explain myself to my grandparents. How I was going to tell them I was a tree/snail now. So there were definitely some memories. Same shit my mate who was watching over me recounted, also. I don't even know why I did it. I went through many years with a really pessimistic, black-pilled nihilistic outlook as my only comfort. Self torture - the weirdest flavour of connection. Some concepts are like taking a nailgun to the head. Have you ever done salvia?
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Bashar replied to Bashar's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
We have a skeptic in chat -
Good communicator, purpose driven, patient
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Elliott replied to Bashar's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
There is no real Bashar, his name is Daryll -
Bashar replied to Bashar's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Carl-Richardyour expertise is required -
The example in this thread... The Bailey: 'A man not allowing his female partner to have male friends, go clubbing, wear provocative clothing, and skip church is a sign that he cares.' (with subtext that the control should be appreciated by the woman because it's a sign of care) The Challenge: "That's just controlling another person. Instead of trying to control someone and create rules for them... get clear on your relationship boundaries and only date people who are compatible with you. Don't get into a relationship with an incompatible person and then create a bunch of rules to control them into fitting your mold." The Motte: "People can willingly adjust their behaviour out of respect for their partner. Not every expectation is control, and not every compromise is a loss of freedom. Relationships require more than just doing whatever you want and leaving when someone disagrees." C'mon @Monster Energy defend your Bailey!
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AI music is coming to an end soon. That said, the following song is one of my favourites I've made with my voice copied into it like most of them. This is further back after a long stretch without seizures where I was able to write songs in less than 30 minutes, and I actually completed this one in less time. I shared it in another thread, it's called Midnight Blue. Midnight Blue One of my fav's - personally wrote lyrics word for word and completed in less than 30 min. https://0ooo0ooo0.bandcamp.com/track/midnight-blue I'll be in a position to start creating for real in the coming months, using my actual voice rather than a copy. Personally, although it may be difficult to notice at first, I actually find myself feeling less conscious sometimes after listening to AI music. It's not particularly important to establish a reason why for these things, in general I think how something genuinely feels needs to be an anchoring point for discerning the truth for why you would continue doing that thing however. I can't establish the reason in complete for why I'd continue to create AI music outside of certain contexts, therefore I see no reason to justify it at the expense of the feeling. I might alter the music for The Architect of Sacred Ground (directly above), for me personally, its missing the essence of the feeling I got from the original. I still like it but, and those lyrics of course took me longer than 30 minutes, and I actually refined some of them for that Cover compared to what's in the original song. A reminder for those following Dream Unity that the following represents a brief introduction to Module 1 released in November. It's the post directly prv, but just in case you miss it.
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Elliott replied to Majed's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This is religion Premier Christian News https://premierchristian.news 'Nearly 200 Christian leaders accused of child abuse in 2025', says report Nov 8, 2025 — Journalist Evan Hurst, who maintains a running list, revealed in an updated last week that “As of 31 October, I had tracked 188 separate -
Here's an AI overview of how a Motte and Bailey argument works... and how to respond to them. The motte-and-bailey fallacy is a persuasive strategy where an arguer conflates a controversial, hard-to-defend position with a modest, easy-to-defend position. How It Works The Bailey: The arguer first advances a bold, provocative, or controversial claim (the open, hard-to-defend courtyard of a medieval castle). The Motte: When challenged, the arguer retreats to a trivial, safe, or obviously true claim (the heavily fortified, small tower or "motte"). The Conflation: The arguer acts as though the modest motte proves the extreme bailey, or claims the critic is unreasonable for attacking the motte. Classic Example The Bailey: "All traditional institutions are completely corrupt and should be torn down." The Challenge: "That's extreme; many institutions provide vital stability and help people." The Motte: "I'm just saying that people in power sometimes make mistakes and we should be allowed to critique them." How to Respond Pin down the claim: Force the arguer to pick one position and stick to it rather than sliding between the mild version and the extreme version. Acknowledge the motte without buying the bailey: Agree that the modest claim is true, while pointing out that it doesn't actually justify the bolder claim.
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Holy shit. Did you forget all of your human memories or did some remain? Was being aware of losing your human self a substantial part of the suffering?? The notion of "This is Forever" is something I read very often in salvia reports. Its scary as fuck. How can I ever love myself as God when I'm torturing myself to no end?
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Interesting. So you're saying the ego as an entity has a more fundamental existence than its human form. Even when the human form is completely destroyed in consciousness, the ego remains as a suffering entity that goes through ordeals, I guess that is your claim. The imagination of the ego and its suffering are thus a deeper layer of imagination than the imagination layer of physical matter, including the brain. Suffering can exist/be imagined without first imagining a brain or anything "darwinistic" that uses suffering merely as a tool for its physical survival in the dream. I guess that does disprove your claim about sufferings utilitarian nature, I don't see it any other way? It really begs the spiritual question, if the ego can persist beyond the bodily human self, and the ego is thus not merely an emergent phenomenon from the physical imagination layer... Does that mean the ego is even more persistent and consistent than any physical object in the universe? There are static physical objects in the universe that have remained virtually unphased for aeons of time. So what about the ego? it can exist after physical death? are there really separate layers of imagination or is even that imagined? How did this ego entity come into existence, if it is beyond the flesh, and can exist in many whacky, "non-physical" states of consciousness, even during shapeshifting and forgetfulness like in salvia? And how can God become free from it, if at all? Will it always oscillate between ego and self-realization forever?
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Natasha Tori Maru replied to trenton's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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It doesn't work that neatly. The ego is still there and it is suffering. Suffering is wired so deep into the psyche that you will never just skip over it.
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Meditations by Marcus Aurelius . I have read it earlier 2 times. Now is the 3rd time.
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@gengar my body receded into a snail shell - like I devolved into an embryonic state but was being reformulated into the shell against my will. Like, recycled. Imagine Kane from the first Alien film (directors cut, not sure if you have seen it) being remade into an egg. It was like I was being reorganised into the snail totally against my will. I turned to the table next to me trying to get away and the wood grain on the table infected me, turning me into a static tree version of Tash. I genuinely thought I was fucked. Like this is it. I am stuck this way. Forever. I knew it as truth in that moment. It was really, really bad. I will never do it again. It was more fucked up than mushrooms by far. It felt like an eternity at the time, but the trip was over really fast according to my handler.
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Can't agree more with this.
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Bashar replied to trenton's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
My friend asks what you think of the ghost. -
Consistency, intelligence, resilience
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