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Heaven replied to Husseinisdoingfine's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Karmadhi I believe it’s too naive to think that if Israel would give some land back things will calm down. History shows this is not true. Also it’s the minority who supports taking more land. In the news they call them Jewish terrorists. Hopefully this coming election will give less power to the extreme and things will calm down. -
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Joseph Maynor replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Is this true? - Today
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Thursday: August 27th, 2026. Discerning analytical out of relational is distinct from devil-may-care punning.
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Thursday: August 27th, 2026. Analytical in a dirty-minded sense is distinct from innocent analysis.
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Thursday: August 27th, 2026. Earnest effort to have fun is distinct from beneficial boredom.
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Thursday: August 27th, 2026. Revealing why something has happened is distinct from gaslighting behavior.
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Thursday: August 27th, 2026. Drowning in pitch-dark pessimism is distinct from optimistic sunny hope.
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I can't do the AI partner thing but, my brain simply won't buy in despite trying to convince myself as a self-experimentation. I think personality variables are a prerequisite. For example, someone on high on openness to experience may seem more likely in the beginning but then they also may be more likely to become bored or find it too shallow, especially if they have other pairing qualities like high on sentimentality. That said, people who are already objectifying their relationships, like those that are high in openness but low in sentimentality may be more likely; another sub-domain is fantasy proneness minus reality-testing habits. And even Cognitive dispositions. For example those that are more likely to take many different perspectives into account may be less likely to buy into having an AI girlfriend, simply because say, switching between third and first person as one take, creates those noted reality tests that more often than not are likely to break the AI illusion. The mention of dating apps becoming socialised is a good example of this, many people get gamed by digital dating frontiers and that correlation tends to correspond to reality-testing psychological habits. If it becomes socialised though, that's another variable of course that shouldn't be ignored however at the same time, one can't just expect the opposite to not happen. Meaning group norms forge among certain demographics that outright reject the idea of an AI partner. So we have simultaneous agendas from people less/more likely to just like anything else. Another one is attachment style as well, low income earners, people that have lower self-esteem and people that are over-weight; just to name others off the cuff. It's interesting though. I think we will get real life examples of the film "Her" playing out as they already have with some people demonstrating psychotic symptoms following deeper AI interactions, that said, I think that the majority of those examples are going to continue to be a super-dumbed down version of what's portrayed in the film, which was pretty solid for its time. Transcendence as a film was epic for its time as well, and we will see dumbed down versions of that coming; with the closest relationship there being synthetic neurology that are at best promising a scam in the intelligence domain at this point. Lucy and Limitless are ways off and have more security issues at this point as you wouldn't want a Limitless pill being widely available to geopolitical competitors so synthetic neurological enhancements are always going to be a slippery slope over what's accepted (I.e. socially), what's safe (I.e. security) and what's competitive (I.e. geopolitics). With AI partners its similar keys, with safety and competition taking on different positions, for example as a competitive country you'd actually want the foreign country's population forming relationships with AI analogous to the benefits Pokemon Go brought intelligence agencies from positioning that is as simple as data accumulation to social influence and impacting the trajectory of relationship formations, I.e. from a strategic interest, its better if it leads to less marriages, less children, poorly raised children, worse marriages, less reality checks, etc. Just as some alternate takes. Otherwise Project Genie is a must checkout.
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Inliytened1 replied to toasty7718's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Only now its the Dad staying home and milking the cows while Mom plows the fields -
Inliytened1 replied to toasty7718's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
This is ridiculous. Like women would stip voting conservative or not. -
This is a key point. We don't want to sacrifice quality for quantity. Quantity is good and needed, but is there time with all this quantity for quality? If you take two hours with one girl for example, and you and her click..you may not need the rest. So I would focus on quality.
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I feel like the above post can be summarized by this:
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Brother you're killing it! You're an approach machine and you're clearly doing your due diligence by learning from your experiences. However, this high volume of approaches doesnt leave a lot of room for depth in your interactions, i suspect. How long is your typical set? Are you getting any phone numbers that actually respond to your texts? Do you text your numbers at all, if you're getting any? Volume is an element, but not the whole pie. You still have to commit to a girl at some point and try to push that interaction as far as you can.
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This is true and already happening via podcasts and influencers so I'd predict the same as you. All the weird and taboo things have basically become the norm. Online dating used to be a badge of shame now it's what everyone does. I suppose cam girls are a precursor to only fans and influencers. I think the 5 year thing is true but I don't think it will be so wide spread that Leo and everyone on this forum will have an AI girlfriend. It's pretty cringe tbh. But then again the movie Her basically was a prophecy.
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Traditional gender roles aren't the set-up that you see in shows from the 1950s. That "man goes to work and woman stays home" dynamic is very modern and borne out of industrialization and the increased wealth of industrialization during the golden age, which enabled a single middle class income to support a whole family. That's why everyone liked Ike so much. So, the 1950s set-up is actually very modern. And women staying at home and only being a mom is also very modern... and only something that was ever available to those wealthy enough to support that. Real traditional gender roles are... The man and woman and their 10 children wake up at 5am. The man plows the fields and does the heavy manual farm work with his sons, which require strength. The woman milks the cows, tends to the chickens, tends to the crops, prepares all the meals, sews all the clothes, washes all the clothes by hand. And the daughters do the same thing. The elder daughters do most of the caring for the younger children. The man, women, and their 10 children all retire to a small home where they fall asleep at sundown. That's what traditional gender roles ACTUALLY look like. What you're thinking of as traditional gender roles are what happened during industrialization in the several decade window between when men entered the industrial workforce... and women were permitted to do the same. That's like the 1930s though the 1960s. And unfortunately, it's what a lot of people think "traditional" means. But traditional actually means peasants... ruled over by a landlord in a pre-Capitalist farming community.
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VeganAwake replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Luckily it's already everything, so "you" can't miss it! -
Not even Casinova is remembered. They want what you got for them now.
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VeganAwake replied to VeganAwake's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I get what you mean. I don't know how it feels for him. I think his main message is "you are not the conditioned mind/ego, you are universal consciousness". But he talks about universal consciousness in a very impersonal manner....sooo 🤷♂️ I understand what he is saying because that same feeling happened here temporarily, but for me it just felt like a subtle attempt of ego/self identification. That feeling fell away quickly. -
Mellowmarsh replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Did you attend your own funeral? Did you weep at your own absence. 🥲 -
First off, I don't think the drop in birth rates arise from women entering the workforce. The latter doesn't cause the former. But I believe both are separate flowers growing from the same root system. So, women entering the workforce and the declining population both stem from a common cause. But they don't have a cause and effect relationship with one another. Realistically, the population drop and women's engagement in the work force arises from the transition from Stage Blue farming communities with agrarian values to Stage Orange modern post-industrial societies with values like achievement, progress, and expansion. And this agrarian to industrial/post-industrial transition leads to shifting values away from pure survival and having a bunch of kids to work on your mom and pop farm, to a greater expectation of progress and expansion outside of the home. And it also requires and allows both men and women to leave the family farm behind and go to work in other places of employment... like factories, companies, and other such institutions. And that leads to men and women who are interested in parenthood to choose to have fewer kids, in order to build a deeper relationship with their kids... rather than having as many kids as possible to keep the family farm up. Then, some people don't want kids and are in a freer state to choose a better option for themselves. And because they aren't stuck with the dilemma of "Who will tend to the farm?", they don't have to have kids. Ultimately, it is these macrocosmic shifts in technology, values, and societal structures away from the values that govern a Stage Blue community based subsistence farming and towards Stage Orange industrialization that cause the drop in birth rates. And this same shift also enabled men (and a few decades later, enabled women) to enter a non-agrarian post-industrial work-force instead of tending to a family farm, like most men and women do in agrarian societies. Then, the values of the subsistence farmers are also dying out, as we go further into the modern era and grow more adapted to the current state of society. For example, my paternal grandma grew up on a farm with 10 brothers and sisters in the 1930s and 40s. She was one of 11. And that was a common number of children to have. Then, she moved away from the farm into the outskirts of Atlanta in the mid/late 50s to early 60s and had 5 children, but one died in infancy. Then, two of her surviving children has 1 child each... and the other two of her surviving children had 3 children each. Then, the grandkids... two of us has 0 children, two of us have 1 child, three of us have 2 children (I'm in this camp), and one of us has 3 children. So, as there's a move away from family farming and its values.... there's also a move towards having fewer kids, as it's just not necessary and usually not desired to have a bunch. But if you're willing to go back to family subsistence farming and forego modernity to have a wife and 10 kids to work the farm with you, feel free to do so, if you think it will help. But don't ask women to go back to their traditional role as a subsistence farmers while you stay in the post-industrial workforce, working for a paycheck... as that's something that also runs downstream of the causes of the dropping birth rate. But ultimately, I just see this transition as inevitable... and as something that humanity will have to try to adapt to. And as long as the drop in fertility is relatively gradual over 10 generations, it would actually be better in the long run for the planet and the human populace. Right now, the global birth rate is a little bit over the replacement rate. It's something like 2.2 children per woman. And the replacement rate is 2.1 children per woman. So, we still haven't reached the apex of growth at the top of the parabola... globally speaking. But within the next generation or so, the global replacement rate will dip below 2.1. And that's when we'll need to start transitioning our systems to work with a gradually shrinking population. The main catastrophic birthrate drop would be where we have to make those transitions over the course of 3 or 4 generations... like what South Korea will almost certainly be experiencing. (Side note: And from what I've looked at, it seems like that drop might be coming from hyper-focus towards school and work monopolizing ALL of one's time from childhood onward. We're talking 16 hour days packed with schoolwork from small childhood through college.... and literally no time to socialize. And the adult workplace is very similar. There are also very strong pressures on the populace to be thin and look young, which are much stronger than in other places... and pregnancy or being a parent/spouse might mess with people's self-images. And it causes women (and men) to under-eat... which isn't good for fertility. Also, misogyny is often stated as a reason why many women have decided to forego marriage and children in South Korea. But I think it's more of the hardcore pressure to perform at the highest level in all categories in all hours of the day and extreme judgment and shame if those standards aren't matched.) But I suspect most places in the Global North will likely be able to sustain their workforces through immigration from the Global South, where the birth rates are higher. And that will carry us through that transition period more gradually. I read somewhere that we may find a stabilizing point of 2.5 billion people... which is what the global population was in the 1950s. So, our population shot up very high, very quickly. And what goes up must come down. We can't expand forever without contraction.
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Mellowmarsh replied to Inliytened1's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Freejoy. You hear. -
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I know this feel (toxic motivation from my inner abusive narrative!) I had to cut ties with ME - or should I say, accept this inner dialogue with LOVE and hug it to death >.< You have come so far
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You guys are too young for this movie but watch Fast Times at Ridgemont High. This scene will live in infamy forever
