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Breakingthewall replied to Olaf's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Let's see if I can explain this idea because it's extremely complicated. Look, when I'm alive, I want a good life, and when death comes, I won't care about it anymore... because I will be dead! Crazy right? Then now, when I'm alive, i don't want being a homeless with sickness and eaten by rats, that's why I work hard in all fields that I can, same than all living beings. Then tell me , oh superior. What would I do? Nothing? Because I'm nothing? Those bullshit could useful for you, maybe you are a millionaire of anything, but most of the people have to move fast and right -
@Joseph Maynor All good, I took the 'you' as a general term encompassing anyone reading. Less of a debate from me and more just trying to understand your philosophy / worldview. I tire of the interjections from many here 'correcting' others or not really being open to just exploring someone else's views with an open mind.
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Mellowmarsh replied to Olaf's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Why the need to talk about ego dissolution all the time…escapism seems like a coping mechanism designed to cope with the cold hard truth of not knowing death…it’s all escapism for the human… here are some more examples of escapism …from the stresses of being a conscious human being. Usage of psychedelics or weed, or alcohol, or cigarettes, or sexual pleasure, or material shopping addiction. It’s all distractions to soothe the existential pains of being self aware, even the practice of spiritual work is another way to soothe yourself. Through this spiritual work you have discovered that you are able to commit suicide, kill the ego so to speak. All that’s happening is a desire to disappear because it’s just too painful emotionally and physically to cope with being a self aware conscious sentient creature. Then there’s the pretending to know what you cannot possibly know, and that’s another tool you use to justify your desire to lose yourself, the self you think you have, but then also you then deny yourself that thought of having a self by seeking to kill that self you now don’t have. Can’t you see how insane this human life is. -
Breakingthewall replied to Olaf's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Ojhhh you are so profound, and so superior. Where do you live? In a cave? And do you feed your kid or not? Tell me, oh enlightened. You are another example of narcissist passive aggressive non dualistic unbearable and impossible to communicate anything. Spirituality nowadays -
When you put your identity out there people will use you as a way to raise their identity.
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Joseph Maynor replied to Zeroguy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This is a very advanced and key question. I would frame it like this, to what degree do I create reality? How do we unpack that question to give an answer in pointer form in language. And then contemplate the issue of manipulation and to what extent is that good or bad in relation to The Divine. -
Mellowmarsh replied to Olaf's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The desire to keep talking about nothing to ghosts. Let all these ghostwriters agree and have done with it, agree to shut up talking about nothing when there’s nothing to see here, and nothing to talk about. Human self awareness was nature’s cruelest trick, making them know stuff, and at the same time making them want to escape their existential fears of not knowing what death is. Humans know they will die and so seek to end their lives before they actually do die for real. It’s really bazaar behaviour the more I think about it, it’s been bugging me for the longest time. So I was glad this thread was created so I could express my horror of being conscious of torture pain and suffering. Constantly sharing talks about nothing to nothing is pointless, it’s just ego puffing itself up to see who can ruffle up the most puff, it’s mindless nonsense. -
In the iPEC model of the 7 levels of energy, level 2 energy with anger and conflict is seen as a necessary energy you must pass through.
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I just answered your question, it wasn't directed at you personally. I was riffing off your question basically and expressing in a general way. It's conscious creating at a higher level, but that gets into Beauty and we're discussing Truth here with slight leanings into Love.
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This is illuminating to look at. And then to have a conversation with AI about this is interesting as well.
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@Joseph Maynor Cheers. Suppression is never necessary. I like to allow all feelings. Feelings, emotions, thoughts. I view them as contractions of energy. I haven't come across (or know anything about) Abraham Hicks or Spinoza.
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LoneWonderer replied to Leo Gura's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
If they are super advanced they've probably thought of that and figured it out long time ago. Again we are also assuming they can even catch a disese. They could not be biological creatures as we know them. Some claims are that at least some of the phenomena originates from here on earth too so they could be locals just like us to this planet. -
To those who say solipsism is true, are you saying that I’m the only one who can see,hear,smell,touch, and taste while others appear to have their own sensory experience but actually don’t? Is that what you mean by solipsism? So all these people I see moving and interacting don’t even have awareness or are not conscious at all? If yes,how do you know?
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Illuminating on the dynamics of power and idle worship.
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@LordFall The one thing you can assume is that corruption increases exponentially behind closed doors because history has proven that to be true countless times. It closely mirrors the second law of thermodynamics.
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@Leo Gura Makes sense. He then is hallucinating just like AI does because it would rather make up a narrative rather than admit that it does not know. Btw can you rank the epistemic responsibility of the following types of people? I'm curious about your rankings. 1. Physicalists 2. Rationalists 3. Naïve Materialists 4. New Atheists 5. Religious Fundamentalists 6. New Age Spiritual People 7. Politicians 8. Academics 9. Engineers 10. Post Rationalists 11. Mystics
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I take issue with the emotional scale. I've had many conversations about this with people who follow Abraham Hicks' works, and the people who buy into that mentality they're in it full bore, so I've determined thru the school of hard knocks literally that there is nothing I could say to convince them otherwise. And I respect that stubbornness to a degree. I don't make a distinction between a feeling or emotion, they're both words pointing to the same thing. I don't like the higher vs. lower emotions thing -- It's kind of analogous to thinking there are higher vs. lower thoughts. "Wellness" is interesting because what constitutes wellness? One insight I have is all emotions have a cognitive component, Spinoza talks about this which influenced me. So the thing to do is not try to force thoughts or emotions, but to allow them to be part of the Modes of God/Nature, unless they are caused by confused ideas like egoic passions (as he terms them). To try to force something to be is a kind of erroneous thought or passive affect of the finite wanting to be the Whole, unless it comes from confused ideas or confused understanding of the Wole. And often you'll get a backlash doing this too: E.g. trying not to feel angry leads to weird explosions. You're trying to judge and repress something that is part of God/Nature instead of contemplating what the thought associated with that emotion is, and determining if it is caused by lack of Understanding or not. But if Intuition is had, which is Pure Knowing of God/Nature, the emotions felt in extension or body and in thought or mind are Good. In other words to try to overcontrol one's emotions without Understanding is seen to be a form of confused ideas and confused passive emotions from thinking that God/Nature's emotions are not ok to exist the way they do when they are active emotions, or emotions liberated from the problem of egoic distortion. So it's more nuanced than anger is bad. Spinoza would say if anger is an active affect or active emotion, it is Good.
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Sleepwalk During my last sleepwalk, It began in a dim golden room that seemed endless, its floor completely buried beneath layers upon layers of blankets. Some were thick velvet in deep burgundy and forest green, others were faded cotton quilts stitched with tiny floral patterns, and a few shimmered faintly like woven moonlight. The air carried the comforting scent of warm fabric dried under sunlight, mixed with the softness of old memories. As I walked barefoot through the room, the blankets shifted gently like calm waves, rustling around my ankles with a hush that sounded almost like whispered reassurance. There was no fear in the space only an overwhelming invitation to rest, disappear, and be held. I moved slowly through the sea of blankets, instinctively pulling certain ones closer to myself. One blanket felt heavy and protective, wrapping around my shoulders like armor against the outside world. Another was impossibly soft, pale cream in color, and seemed to melt warmth directly into my skin the moment I touched it. I gathered them carefully, building a cocoon around myself layer by layer. With every blanket I drew nearer, the world outside the sleepwalk faded further away until all that remained was warmth, quietness, and the muffled rhythm of my own breathing. It felt less like hiding and more like returning somewhere ancient and safe a private sanctuary no one else could enter. At some point, the room darkened into a peaceful twilight, and tiny floating particles of light drifted through the air like dust made of stars. Wrapped deeply within the blankets, I lied down and listened to the silence. The blankets no longer seemed ordinary each one carried a different emotion — comfort, grief, tenderness, loneliness, longing, protection. Yet instead of overwhelming me, they blended together into something nurturing and whole. The sleepwalk ended with the feeling of being completely enclosed in softness, as though the blankets themselves had become living guardians, shielding my heart from exhaustion and gently asking me to rest.
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You become happier when you are pursuing your goals.
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Earrings on children.
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Highly productive schemas.
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Honestly if a critic actually used this forum for a year they would realize Leo isn't even mentioned most of the time. There are no signs of Actualized.org being a cult beyond the radical claims. To use deaths associated with this forum to call it a cult is in Bad Faith. Many deaths are associated even with science and the scientific method, is science a cult? No because it actually works and encourages asking questions. Maybe you'd think there's no comparing science to this forum, that's alright, but it's important to see the context in which those tragedies took place. As for the asking questions part, that's the same with this community. Nobody asks you to obey Leo, I don't even think about Leo when I use this forum. The nature of this work is such that some people will fuck up badly despite all the warnings, it doesn't matter if Leo is managing it or anybody else for that matter. Psychedelics do work and there is apt research going on at such. Just because science hasn't caught up doesn't mean it's not true. Besides, there's a whole 1hour33min video specifically about the dangers of psychedelics; on top of various other videos about the traps of spiritual work. The work is dangerous and maybe the biggest mistake is for this to be as openly available as it is in the first place. But if you make it a more closed system you're even more of a cult in the eyes of critics. There's no appealing to critics. If the reader of this message is somebody who's coming in from that video or a critic, know that unlike a cult, nobody is asking you to join and obey Leo, or even do this work for that matter. It's in your will to come in here and judge for yourself. I only ask you to judge fairly and in good faith.
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The problem is structural because he likes to speculate, prognosticate, and spin narratives. This cannot be epistemically sound. The more he does it, the deeper into self-deception he and his students will sink. He is not being epistemically responsible. He like to make imaginative leaps because it gets him more views than just not-knowing.
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Over the many years I've actually been strangely overjoyed anytime Actualized has been called a cult, and have had zero desire to defend it despite my varying levels of fondness and attachment. In fact I wish it would happen a bit more often so it acts as a deterrent to scare the hordes of normies and keep them far away. I've noticed anytime something becomes too popular and well known it inevitably has to corrupt and morph itself to appeal to the demands of the masses, typically becoming something unrecognizable. In the worst cases self-destructing completely. In the big sea of life, stumbling across Actualized and Leo has been like finding a small, precious island to save one from drowning, or at the very least give you enough direction and sustenance to go out swimming again. I wouldn't want such valuable esoteric knowledge to be contaminated by the urge to share it to every living soul. I've rarely every shared any Actualized videos or content with anyone over the years. If the cards align people will find it when they need it. I just try to improve myself using the content I've needed so I can pay it forward to the world by being an example.
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James123 replied to Olaf's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What is pointless?
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