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  2. Yes I said a corporate hottie would make a great partner. Value basically always has to be monetary, it's a universal medium of exchange. If other people don't value what you think or what you have to offer them then it's not valuable by definition. Usually stage green people bypass this entirely like for example the girl that said she hates marketing. Marketing is connecting with the hearts and minds of others and getting them to see the value behind your ideas/products/services and giving you their hard earned money for it. Of course unintegrated stage oranges despise it, it's the only mechanism that proves that your ideas are valuable. It's like the boss battle of the dungeon.
  3. Integrating stage orange is not about being financially independent (in the sense that you do not rely on selling your labor). Go read some material about spiral dynamics or watch Leo's video. Besides, we were up until now stricly talking about dating related stuff, at no point did we touch work or purpose.
  4. Yesterday
  5. Imagine big bang. That's what it is. It is not non existentence. There is nothing there. So, has no name. Shape or form. Edit: when there is nothing there, like an air, yet has no substance. Therefore it is in anything and everything.
  6. Stage orange is about the real world economics of our reality and the markets that govern it. If someone watches an anti pollution video and are like wow corporations are bad penguins are dying! They did not just magically integrate stage orange. They started to realize that there are cause and effects in the world and that some corporations tend to use their incentives against the rest of reality. To integrate and transcend stage orange you have to in charge of your material reality and basically be able to exist outside of somebody else's system. I only see 2 ways out of it starting your own successful business or generating enough capital from a high income career that you can now fund your life purpose. Having an unintegrated stage orange shows up in different ways but you can see it clearly in unhealthy stage greens who care deeply about the world and express their pain about its injustice but don't have the resources and capital to do anything about it. A triggered feminist is an easy caricature of it. Whereas on the other hand you have women/men that start their own organizations and become themselves power agents of change in the causes that they champion.
  7. Then my ex got one over on me.
  8. That value might not be monetary though. And you were comparing stages regarding your dating a corporate woman example.
  9. 1. I never claimed I am stage yellow. 2. I never claimed I rejected relationships. Yes, I am not dating NOW, but that is just for couple of months. I am sure I will be back to dating when I feel like that. I definitely do not live like some monk. How do you expect success in integrating orange exactly? You do realize you do not need to have harem of 10 models and making millions of dollars in order to evolve past orange...otherwise people would not be getting past orange often since those things are rare. What integrating orange is about is integrating it's values and its positives, not it's material aspects.
  10. I never said the corporate women are super conscious, I said they have a high level skillset that can be used towards your cause and life purpose. I don't know if I agree I think a lot of "high consciousness" is spiritual bypassing since your consciousness exists only in your head and not in the real world. If someone was truly a master at stage yellow they could actualize their ideas from understanding which parts of society is gonna give them friction and they would have the skillset from stage orange to produce real tangible value that other people value.
  11. I mean you literally said that you gave up on relationships(maybe temporarily) to focus more on platonic friendships. That's great and all but you can't say you've succeeded at your pickup journey then. You say you're a software engineer, that's cool but that's nothing to do with creating your own systems. If you date a corporate woman you can't really bring her into your life you can at best each have your jobs and go home at the end of the day and comfort eachother before you go back to work the next day. To me that's not having transcended stage orange or perhaps you can say that's not having integrated stage yellow which has to do with making the systems of our reality work for you and not against you like Tier 1 stages are forced to do.
  12. @Never_give_up yes. its not a get out of jail free card. Your psyche is your psyche you kill yourself in a negative state you just lock yourself in. You will enter the void in the same state only lose all opportunity to change it. You must be null to respawn it will take as long as it takes for you to be null. It can take 100 years or 1 day. If you kill yourself and are upset you upsetness will just grow and grow and grow and you cant rationalize it anymore you lost that ability. Imagine in order to respawn you have to become deep sleep while aware. Like you woke up today and you just sat there like you are in deepsleep all day. Then you sleep and wake up and must remain in the deep sleep state while you know you are there. But if you wake up and are sad not null well your sadness will spiral the same way you throw a tantrum and the emotions spiral. If you want to do it at least spend 1 week only being in deep sleep but aware you are doing it. Like wake up in the morning and all day sit there not moving with your eyes closed not thinking. Thats what you need to be to respawn. For days on end since you dont think, days merge into years, you dont even know time exists. If you dont play dead when you are dead you will have a bad time. Even one thought will spiral you. You are deep sleep you must become it to progress.
  13. Beautiful fake spirituality
  14. I did not see that sentence in bold before (maybe it was an edit?). That stuff was never my argument. Obviously I do not go around telling 20-year old virgins who are jobless that getting jobs or dating for a bit is useless. But this is a forum about development and conscioussness and I feel like it is fair to point out that pickup, dating, sex and all the material aspects of it are stage orange and thus farly unconscious. You have to integrate stages to go up - you will always have some shadows, can't really escape that. But just as you can try to bypass some development by "fake evolving", you can get stuck in some stage and just dig yourself in it.

  15. Do Women Prefer Long Hair or Short Hair on Men?

    Natasha Tori Maru replied to Monster Energy's topic in Dating, Sexuality, Relationships, Family

    Did he state the bolded, or is that your assumption? I just see a lot of assumptions in how you address others points that questioning would reveal could be wrong. I think you tried to understand his perspective from your frame, but didn't openly enquire and seriously consider there may be other valid perspectives. Again, this is just how it looks to me. If you say it is not so, then for you, it is not so.
  16. How did you break it down exactly?
  17. Sure, i work in a corporate so meet them reasonably often. Do not conflate however intelligence or competence with consciousness. Those are not related. You can be succesfull, competent and inteligent and yet deeply unconscious. Actually, being unconscious will help getting you "traditional" success more than being conscious.
  18. I mean Valach doesn't seem to understand the concepts he's using and makes false equivalencies. As I've said before he thinks he has ended a journey when I've repeatedly pointed out to him the flaws in his perspective. If he's not open to feedback there's nothing to learn. I've broken down his perspective pretty accurately I think. He thinks that giving up on materialistic goals is integrating stage orange and he's now a wise and healthy stage green/yellow. I've said before multiple times in many how this is provably coping. If you have integrated stage orange then you can produce results in the systems of society that we have. If you can't but now "don't value" those results and give up on the goals that you had previously, to me to not repeat the word coping that's delusional or insanity. I've seen this process happen to many smart people, he sounds like a smart guy. Intelligence is just the start to really master your life and this reality though. @Natasha Tori Maru Also that's incorrect. It depends on which version you use but how Ken Wilber phrases it is literally word for word transcend and include.

  19. Psychiatric drugs are a serious fucking issue

    Natasha Tori Maru replied to Carl-Richard's topic in Health, Fitness, Nutrition, Supplements

    @Leo Gura That is also a solid possibility. Not enough data to avoid simple speculation - could be both explanations.

  20. Do Women Prefer Long Hair or Short Hair on Men?

    Natasha Tori Maru replied to Monster Energy's topic in Dating, Sexuality, Relationships, Family

    I mean, this comes off as really condescending. You genuinely come across to me as insisting on your worldview while not truly exploring the experience of others to understand them. I could be wrong. Just how it appears.

  21. Do Women Prefer Long Hair or Short Hair on Men?

    Natasha Tori Maru replied to Monster Energy's topic in Dating, Sexuality, Relationships, Family

    This is not a correct framing. No stages of the spiral are transcended. They are integrated. So there would be no "pretending" or "transension". There would simply be unintegrated elements.
  22. Such a egoless, stage yellow response my friend
  23. In what way do you disagree with what I'm saying? Do you talk to corporate women often? That's vast umbrella but for example but I've met a few that are product managers and have worked at fortune 500 companies. They are very smart and interesting women who are fascinating to talk with. They understand how to handle the pressures of life and manage teams of people to bring projects/products and turn ideas and concepts into real things that affect the lives of a lot of people. If you find a hot one that's into you that would make a great girlfriend. Be careful judging someone that's perhaps ahead of you in life in a key area. Comparing them to a heroin addict is a wild statement.
  24. Looks to me like he was in such misery and pain that he decided to just roll the dice and they came up snake eyes. I had to roll the dice on antibiotics and they also came up bad for me. I knew there could be negative side-effects but I was out of other options so I had to roll. So I can see where he's coming from. When you health gets bad enough, you get so desperate you will even play Russian roulette for a cure.
  25. You are not different from existence, it seems. Always must be fundamental, that's literally what the word points to.
  26. Not judging does not mean you want to surround yourself by these people. I am not judging a heroin addict on the street for I understand that it was not his choice really to end up in that situation. Yet I do not choose to make him my friend or spend time around him.
  27. In birth years or death years?
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