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Leo Gura replied to Davino's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Carl-Richard The problem is, when you say "conceptually", you use that as a term of belittlement. Your mind regards conceptual things as less real or valid, as "Maya". So then you take Perfection to be a concept, but Perfection is not just a concept, it is absolute. The point of all these talks is that very deep and rare consciousness is being missed, by almost everyone. So just be careful that you don't argue yourself out of the deepest and rarest consciousness. When I speak of higher kinds of Awakenings, like Alien Awakening, I am NOT talking about concepts! I am talking about consciousness that will make you shit your pants. Concepts do not make people shit their pants. -
Nobody is justifying to you. Very weird that it even crosses your mind. We are having a Mature conversation. Gosh.
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@Miguel1 I only blocked one girl and deleted her number cause I wanted her out of my life and not be tempted to reach out for several reasons, I didn't find it necessary for the others. Every now and then, there might be a text several months later, it never really hurt to leave the door open. I do wonder what they're up to and how they've been, especially since we did share genuinely intimate and meaningful moments together. As for photos, I kept most of them cause they're attached to good memories. But I’ll admit that sometimes it does hurt to look through them. I can be quite emotional about that kind of stuff... especially, because in some way I still love them deeply. Btw, I'm sorry to hear about the breakup, mate.
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Mellowmarsh replied to Wilhelm44's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This thread is a good read. Adyashanti’s work. -
Definitely I agree with this. We interpret events by default. Survival mechanism of the brain. If we take away the wrong understanding of what has transpired, we can end up on self blame. Shame. Guilt. These issues are so common and are at the root of many problems we carry unconsciously. Even from rather benign events. It is all in how we interpret the event and our subsequent relationship to the memory and feeling. This is why parenting and early models of love are so important; a parent can help us correct our understanding of an event and resolve responsibility. Trauma can be loosely defined as the inability to resolve responsibility of a past event. I should have been more diligent with my explanation above. PTSD and C-PTSD have a wide constellation of other issues needed for diagnosis. But we typically only seek help when we are almost non-functional.
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@something_else @Leo Gura "I still dont understand why you equate tech stocks with crypto. Stocks are near their highs, while crypto has been destroyed and is bottoming out. BTC is down 50%, and altcoins are down 85–97%. This is not where you sell BTC or crypto. This is where you start DCAing into it slowly until October (if you believe in it). The last 2 bear markets lasted exactly 1 year, and we are less than 3 months away from that 1-year mark." This is what I wrote to one of his posts. So basically the fact that crypto basically went to zero and couldn't go any lower. So you could get amazing prices at the lows if you bought. because it was undervalued, A market bottoms where theres no sellers left.
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Anonym replied to blankisomeone's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Have the spirit acknowledging of other people. Most people like to be their own bosses. I think integrity is the opposite of mastery. I thought about one in an allegory: Super AGI is able to build road into heaven. The stairs are steep not because of effort. But the AI has predicted beforehand whoever gets in whoever gets out. Where people usually slow down, where the shortcuts supposed to be - that's all done and dusted. Maybe Super AGI even has a matrix like simulation going on to know which enters, I don't know. But as the age continues, because some want heaven, they begin to struggle. So the AGI make another smaller version of itself to trick that it is easier than it used to: "I know the way. Follow me." And perhaps it does know something they don't. But then another question: Did smaller AI think that knowing the route gave him integrity over the people walking it? Or did it stop long enough to acknowledge their lack sense of knowing? Not as an obstacle to his plan, but something real that changed what the climb meant? And what if the people themselves knew something that the smaller AI couldn't tell about the climb? They knew where their body of clues could continue. They knew which paths felt encouragingly as possible. They knew how the terrain changed when you actually had to walk it. So perhaps, the question isn't always: Which isn't the best path? Or Who acknowledge first that to find a path when the other path stops being oblivious? Smaller AI may know the direction They may not know some terrain because the Super AGI claimed it in the first place. And neither knowledge becomes complete by defeating the other. The climb is not proof that Smaller AI is above them. It is the moment when it has to decide whether its knowledge will become burden placed on people—or a way of seeing what they already know. -
Carl-Richard replied to Davino's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I like how the presumption is that something being conceptual makes it less profound or valid, or that it is somehow offensive to label it as conceptual if it is experienced as profound. Very interesting. I mean, in a certain sense, there is nothing more profound than immensely eternal ego death where there is no way back and you're inside a black hole for eternity but you're somehow existing on a physical plane simultaneously. But realizing (conceptually) the immense perfection and necessity of reality being what it is, that's also profound. But of course it doesn't actually measure up against being that perfection for eternity. You're not merely crying for a few hours. It's for eternity. -
I would argue that a lot of "normal" trauma also has destabilizing effect on your day to day life. It is just much harder to notice because it is so much more common. Think a little kid who does not get approved by his parents enough and feels like he is not attractive enough and sufficient enough. Now he grows up with that belief ingrained in him and he will try to compensate for it. So he will try to be succesfull, get fit in the gym, buy nice clothes, have dating success, sleep around, do pickup and all the things that most other people are doing. Just because his life is built on false premise that he is not enough. But most people are like that so it is hard to notice. So yea, I am traumatized and have a deep sense of shame about myself and it influences me a lot. I am an addict. But so is almost anyone I meet - they just don't know it themselves.
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@Leo Gura FYA
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Depth, complexity and pathways to healing. Most notably the sort of debilitation involved in what some people ascribe to trauma would more properly be assigned to PTSD or C-PTSD. Because as soon as trauma begins to impede our functioning on a day to day level to the point we cannot function, it begins to become closer to diagnosable as one of these two pathologies. Trauma isn't a diagnosis in and of itself. But PTSD and C-PTSD are. There are more markers that qualify for a diagnosis of either of these two issues, I will add. Trauma and it's related conditions can be associated with maturity. But trauma, PTSD and C-PTSD =/= immaturity by default. I think when people say trauma and label it as incapacitating it is usually a pointer to a pathology (PTSD, C-PTSD or another condition entirely). I am sort of against a lot of the therapizing rheroric that is commonly online (I digress!).
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Whatever guys. You don't have to justify yourselves to me. I'm not the arbiter of your maturity. I only stated my opinion. It's your life. Do what seems right for you.
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In what ways do you think? EDIT: Sorry, I missread that, I think I get what you meant now (not a native speaker )
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@Valach I think online trauma, PTSD and C-PTSD are conflated.
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Yep, just email them as an attachment. This makes me want to punch kittens. It has made me purchase physical books as of late.
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I agree. How is it related to blocking? I have blocked my ex (not out of whim of emotions) but as intentional decision almost one year ago now. And I have spent the year healing my attachment wounds, grieving the life I did not get and growing in general. Why would the act of blocking be immature there? Why is it even relevant? Almost everyone has trauma. The more you learn about it the easier it is to see.
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Default behaviour isn't inherently morally neutral just because it is the default. Inaction is also a choice. You can feel and process pain while deliberately removing unnecessary triggers.
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Mellowmarsh replied to Wilhelm44's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yes, that’s it. It’s so beautiful. What I find remarkable is knowing I don’t need to know anything anymore. I’m simply being effortlessly carried, I’m here just along for the ride, metaphorically speaking of course. 😀 I’m glad you are enjoying the Suzanne talks. I’m also delighted to have found her videos on YouTube. -
Schizophonia replied to Monster Energy's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
No given what you say about Trump I’m sure that if you had the power you would at least be tempted to rationalize rigging the election against him "because he’s a lunatic," and so on. Just like Musk admitted to doing everything he could to help him win because he was afraid of the Democrats' immigration policy and other things. And once again you constantly make choices that aren't particularly intuitively "ethical" according to our collective unconscious; you almost certainly own electronic devices made by Foxconn a company that has anti-suicide nets on its buildings, you eat meat that might come from a bad factory farm, and in the summer you don't hesitate to swat flies and mosquitoes, even though they are sentient living beings, and so on. The problem is the idealist bias (if you are truly non-dualist then you must also acknowledge the other materialist polarity at the same time; the historical materialism, materialist dialectics as marxists say). The materialist basis of morality lies in the subconscious internalization of the superego of the written and unwritten laws (taboos) of your culture or even just your immediate social circle. One might even imagine that your body’s biological needs influence your concept of morality; thus, rather than speaking of the superego, one could just as well speak of the "symbolic order," as Lacan did. The problem with idealism is that it generates what some Marxists would call "bourgeois morality", that is an ethic that serves not so much your own interests as those of the class that dominates you. If you fail to see that the "bad" things are actually at an unconscious level injunctions or necessities imposed by the agendas of others, of collective subjects that dominate you, then the very idea of rebelling cannot even occur to you. You can do "emasculating" things like becoming vegetarian or buying an ethically sourced phone, but anything that involves imposing your agenda (and by extension that of your social class) will quickly be deemed "bad"; for this concept of wrongness is relative and shifts significantly throughout history, rooted as it is in the balance of power between collective subjects. -
I sense a lot of macho strenght here. Forced strenght can only go so far. True strenght is to admit to yourself your own limits.
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Monster Energy replied to Davino's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Maybe because realizing you’re everything is easier than realizing you control everything. Omnipresence and omniscience can happen without needing to feel like you’re in control. Omnipotence is a whole different beast. Maybe there’s simply no one left to drive the car. -
Not blocking is not an act. It is the default. It doesn't signal anything.
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Blocking would be an impulse. A response to pain. Maturity is having control over your impulsive behaviors, even if it hurts. And it's not about being twisted and not sending a message to your ex. It's about your own growth. Learning to control yourself is a major part of maturity. And you don't learn it by indulging. You learn it by accepting the pain and integrating the loss. Pain can be a catalyst for many things, but trauma is often crippling. Most people don't know what trauma is like. The word is thrown around a lot, it lost its meaning.
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Monster Energy replied to Monster Energy's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
It’s all good, we’re on the same side.
