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Natasha Tori Maru replied to enchanted's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Basman has it been done? -
KEEP EM COMING @Lila9 show us!
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@WillCameron You still believe you're a human. That's your sticky point. You're paradigm locked in the human frame. It's actually one of the hardest to break, but be open that if you continue in the path it will eventually happen, you'll breakthrough all humanity and enter into God-Modd.
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@Willy Phallicus
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Well despite appearances its still pure law of the jungle out here.
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my true identity is Beauty/Love/Infinity
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A few listed after contemplating (feel free to add others not mentioned): Reduced selfishness- reduced capacity to take one’s finite identity as true and valid. Reduction in survival drive for self preservation. Removal of many of the cognitive advantages of self bias as it relates to building material wealth. All things being equal-reduced capacity to lie, cheat or steal. Lower tolerance for living a life based in falsehoods and delusion. All the above affords you: blissful ignorance, unconscious survival- all of which can be looked at as making life easier in a sense if only one values the reduction of pain and suffering and increased pleasure (ie. Dopamine ) Easier access to procurement and satisfying of essential survival: food, shelter, sex, power, money. Larger emphasis on social status and approval/validation. Sense of belonging and community. These are at risk due to nonconformist nature of valuing truth and its incompatibility with groupthink and shared narratives (fantasies). Recognition that a good amount of human survival activity is rooted in the pursuit of social approval and belonging. If one no longer is driven by this (having achieved a certain level of autonomy) one’s life becomes quite solitary. This can turn negative if not properly framed. Reduced access to opportunities in areas of money, power, sex, fame & status- all of which are largely contingent on one’s social connections. Absence of belief systems, difficulty adopting beliefs. While it opens up one’s mind to explore unfamiliar terrain, new/novel ideas-it can make life tricky to navigate. Belief systems offer a ready made map of reality; this reduces cognitive load required for existential thinking, which in turns allows more bandwidth to securing one’s material position in the world. Having no map of reality means dealing with the burden of having to derive your own process of sense making; this introducing challenges with maintaining epistemic responsibility and intellectual integrity, while battling periods of existential crisis as it relates to sense making. Admitting wrongness- prioritizing seeing situations truthfully, resisting urges to blame/smear/demonize others while moving being rigorous about pointing out one’s own self deceptions and bias thinking
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UnbornTao replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Just messing with ya I'm not sure what you meant by the above - our perspective. -
That is also an identity. I have nothing against people using their brains and having their own concepts, I applaud it, we need more of it. What irks me is people who don't bother to explain what their new concepts are, and then use obscure word salad to make it sound fancy or mysterious or intellectual. It's a lot more overt in America than in the UK for sure. We're hugely more tolerant of diversity here, however, there is a strong underlying tension against that diversity in many places, especially outside of major cities. Brits are obsessed with "migrants" and always have been, but we do live on an island. We are even wary of Europeans, hence the whole debacle with Brexit. I'm sure they're either confused or just roll their eyes at us or just shrug their shoulders and just carry on without us. Race is strongly tied to Western imperialism. Imperialism requires a strong sense of identity so that you can justify subjugating anyone you come across who you want power over. The Nazis misappropriated Darwin's theory of evolution to "prove" their theories about race - and ever since race has been talked about in the same breath as genetics. People are still confused. But I'll say it again for effect: race has nothing to do with genetics.
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Joseph Maynor replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I don't feel that way, but then again I don't know you well. -
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVYYYIlCShg/?igsh=OW9wMWlpMzl3d29x
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Actually for me nature has been pretty good. I've had my issues of course.
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UnbornTao replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Are you calling me a jerk? Because if that's the case, I'm going to have to agree. -
How much potential has been destroyed by conformity and morality as well as the dialectic opposites of perversion and addiction? You live in nature. Nature is a violent bloody war - total all encompassing all consuming war for survival, growth and evolution - no holds barred - no morality - no right - no wrong - just what is and what can be accomplished. You can cling to your morality or whatever nonsense you're working with but you can not never ever no how no way impose your moral presumption upon nature. This does not imply that human wisdom or discernment is irrelevant. It simply means that 'it is what it is' and human convention regarding meaning and morality does not apply - anyone who can wrap their noodle around this fact will save themselves mucho trabajo.
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The way I see it is morality = conformity = manipulation. There are just actions and consequences. Can humans live consciously without morality? Yes, that is the point.
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Joseph Maynor replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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UnbornTao replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You know, that's a good take. A ruthless teacher you passionately dislike might actually be performing the highest acts of compassion. From our perspective, he or she just seems like a jerk. But ultimately, they prod you along like a stubborn mule into a well - or something like that. This image contrasts with the common fantasy of love. 💕 -
Examining every possibility could fill volumes. This is why ultimately you have to be the source when it comes to judgment. This is an interesting video I'm re-watching now:
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There can be many different possible reasons. I think one reason could be that spiritual people want to differentiate themselves from religious people and one way to do that is to just negate some of the views religious people take on certain things. One other reason could be thinking through all possible options and actually arriving on their own that moral realism is implasuible or that it is false - but I personally take it that this is much less likely to be the case (just based on the fact , that most spiritual people are typically not well educated about the literature on morality). One other reason could be that they picked up antirealist moral intuitions from their culture and from their parents.
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Does God love Cats and Dogs Oh hell yeah.
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It's always been popular with kids to resist moral realism. Why is that? This is why everyone has to try to bring morality in thu the back door in spirituality. Because the assumption is spirituality is superior to someone (usually the human is scapegoated here).
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To be fair to you, there are versions of moral realism where moral claims can be reduced down to descriptive claims (like certain descriptive facts about the world) - I just take it that 1) those kinds of views are miselading, because I personally wouldn't even categorize them as moral views. 2) Since they can be reduced down to descriptive claims, they essentially lack action-guiding. There are other types of moral realist views where those normative claims are irreducible. There the issue that I have is that those views are mostly unintelligible to me and those views just lack persuasion. Like why would you ever care about a random irreducible moral claim just based on the fact that it is objectively true? Like imagine there would be an objectively true irreducible moral claim "You ought to walk backwards when you go to work" - like why would you ever abide by that? and if those objectively true irreducible moral claims are such that are already aligned with your subjective preferences, then sure you will abide by them, but not because they are objectively true, but because they are aligned with things you subjectively care about.
